What is the untrue gun myth that irritates you the most

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Atavar said:
Yeah, if it came from a mile away it was not fired straight up. As others have said bullets fired at an angle will retain some ballistic velocity.
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I said “less than a mile”. I couldn’t tell you exactly how far out, probably much closer. But if you’ve ever seen how Iraqi’s celebrate, there is no telling the pitch of the rifle…
 
tark said:
With me it is this one: It is unsafe to shoot 7.62X25 Tokarev in a C-96 because it is loaded to much higher pressures.

No, it isn't.

Tok ammo is loaded to the same pressures as 9mm, according to the CIP. Saami doesn't list pressures for Tok ammo but 9mm comes in at 35,000PSI, supers are 36,5000 and 9+P is at 38,5000. Broomies had no trouble handling the 9X25 Mauser round which was loaded to 37,5000 PSI. If your C-96 is in good shape with fresh springs it is perfectly safe to shoot 7.62X25 ammo in it.

And don't start in with " look out for submachine gun ammo" or "stay away from the Czech CZ-52 ammo." The former doesn't exist ( never did, ask johnnyC ) and the latter is another myth. Cz-52 ammo is not higher pressure than any other 7.62X25 The Warsaw Pact would never have allowed one member to load higher pressure ammo that might damage the other members pistols.

As an interesting aside, what do you think would happen if you chambered and fired a 9mm round in a 7.63 C-96. (You can do this.) Answer: Nothing. It has been done, and the result was a very loooong 30 caliber bullet flying downrange. The C-96 was undamaged. Tough enough for me.
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tark said:
With me it is this one: It is unsafe to shoot 7.62X25 Tokarev in a C-96 because it is loaded to much higher pressures.

No, it isn't.

Tok ammo is loaded to the same pressures as 9mm, according to the CIP. Saami doesn't list pressures for Tok ammo but 9mm comes in at 35,000PSI, supers are 36,5000 and 9+P is at 38,5000. Broomies had no trouble handling the 9X25 Mauser round which was loaded to 37,5000 PSI. If your C-96 is in good shape with fresh springs it is perfectly safe to shoot 7.62X25 ammo in it.

And don't start in with " look out for submachine gun ammo" or "stay away from the Czech CZ-52 ammo." The former doesn't exist ( never did, ask johnnyC ) and the latter is another myth. Cz-52 ammo is not higher pressure than any other 7.62X25 The Warsaw Pact would never have allowed one member to load higher pressure ammo that might damage the other members pistols.

As an interesting aside, what do you think would happen if you chambered and fired a 9mm round in a 7.63 C-96. (You can do this.) Answer: Nothing. It has been done, and the result was a very loooong 30 caliber bullet flying downrange. The C-96 was undamaged. Tough enough for me.
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Yea, a .357 magnum will go clean thru a car block! HaHa!
 
KahrDriving said:
Yea, a .357 magnum will go clean thru a car block! HaHa!
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When the .357 Magnum came out in 1935, cars were built a little simpler. The initial load for the .357 Magnum was a 158 grain bullet at an advertised velocity of close to 1500 fps. (Soon it was loaded down a bit as it was pushing the limits of the mechanism.) The round was advertised as being suitable for police in stopping cars.
At any rate, then and for quite a while, (perhaps still) a long barreled .357 Magnum would crack an engine block and generally disable an automobile in a short period. As is common, the story got better with the telling.

In the later 1980s, the idea of shooting at a moving car became rather suspect and then (I can't remember when) many agencies and departments by policy forbade shooting at moving vehicles with certain exigent circumstances. Which pretty much put the .357 Magnum out of that game.
 
toivo said:
Right -- they essentially banned a gun that doesn't exist. See? It works!
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dogtown tom said:
John McClane: That punk pulled a Glock 7 on me. You know what that is? It's a porcelain gun made in Germany. Dosen't show up on your airport X-ray machines, here, and it cost more than you make in a month.
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...and just like that!
Police departments all over the world went to...
GLOCKS!
:rofl:

The Never Reload! My personal favorite!
 
dogtown tom said:
I wrote that because a customer had "invested" in six CZ vz61 Skorpion pistols in 32acp. He read on a survivalist forum that they were the ideal SHTF gun because they could easily be modified to select fire and the ammunition would be on shelves during the apocalypse. I wept while collecting the transfer fees. The look on his face when I told him "all ammo will disappear during an apocalypse and no, those are quickly or easily converted to a machine gun in your apartment".....was both puzzlement and confusion.
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A very reassuring example of an individual exercising his gahd - giv’n raaaht, I take it :rofl:
 
dogtown tom said:
Good grief man....there a multi page thread here on THR.
If true, that there IS a national gun registry.......WHY THE HECK would ATF be coming to ask if you still had those guns?

In a REGISTRY, with REAL gun REGISTRATION......they would already know.
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Hey, it was on Boob Tube it must be correct!
Some people have difficulty reading the whole thread(s)
 
Your gun fight WILL BE 3,3,3 because it is most common and the FBI said so.
 
Buzznrose said:
I said “less than a mile”. I couldn’t tell you exactly how far out, probably much closer. But if you’ve ever seen how Iraqi’s celebrate, there is no telling the pitch of the rifle…
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Yea, those M1 carbines won’t even penetrate the wool coats them North Koreans were wearing!
 
Archie said:
When the .357 Magnum came out in 1935, cars were built a little simpler. The initial load for the .357 Magnum was a 158 grain bullet at an advertised velocity of close to 1500 fps. (Soon it was loaded down a bit as it was pushing the limits of the mechanism.) The round was advertised as being suitable for police in stopping cars.
At any rate, then and for quite a while, (perhaps still) a long barreled .357 Magnum would crack an engine block and generally disable an automobile in a short period. As is common, the story got better with the telling.

In the later 1980s, the idea of shooting at a moving car became rather suspect and then (I can't remember when) many agencies and departments by policy forbade shooting at moving vehicles with certain exigent circumstances. Which pretty much put the .357 Magnum out of that game.
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Being a shop owner and perhaps too curious.... ive shot more than one engine with a 44 magnum redhawk with a 7 and whatever inch barrel loaded with pretty hot 240 grain bullets and never done any damage to the block that would stop an engine in time to help anything . Maybe if you had a block made for something smaller and then later bored bigger (305 but later a 400, 352 later made a 390 etc) and you just happened to hit a thin spot you might get lucky but in all my testing it didn't do much. Maybe divine intervention kicks in and it's your day to be lucky and something good happens idk. But the old American v8s and 6 cylinders I shot survived. Best I done was busted a water jacket. A lead bullet hitting an iron block at handgun speed just didn't impress me.

Aluminum blocks and ohc engines would likely be easier to kill. Hit either exhaust or intake vvt solenoid and the car loses the cam position and it quits giving fuel. The cams are hollow to allow oil to move for the phasers etc etc But idk. I'm sure it happens but IMHO you would have to get lucky.

Anyway

One of my biggest myths is the "can be converted to full auto just by using a nickel/ dime" myth. Never a penny though. Lol. I'm sure it comes from truth. And I'm sure it worked in some rifle. But ive heard it since I was a kid hearing folks talking to my ww2 vet grandpa right up to today. (My grandpa told them he never had a nickel to try it out lol) It's been said about every rifle from sks to AK to AR to M1 carbine. And I still hear it from time to time.
 
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Not really a myth but lots of Civil War era movies with the folks banging away with Colt SAAs.

Also, don't bring a knife to a gun fight. - Everyone I've trained with has a knife, because you never know.

Modern Sporting Rifle - the usage will convince folks not to ban them.
 
crestoncowboy said:
Being a shop owner and perhaps too curious.... ive shot more than one engine with a 44 magnum redhawk with a 7 and whatever inch barrel loaded with pretty hot 240 grain bullets and never done any damage to the block that would stop an engine in time to help anything.
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Perhaps engines of the middle 1930s were structurally flimsier? Perhaps it was all hype and advertising copy?
Perhaps the smaller diameter bullet was a better penetrator?
Truthfully, I've never shot an engine block of any sort. Never had occasion to do so and most likely won't in the future.
I have read a number of accounts - of those who claimed to be eye-witnesses to such things - who claimed the .357 Magnum was much better than the .38 Special using the 158 grain RNL 'so-what' load. I don't know if the engine was instantly disabled (don't recall any claims of that) or if the engine was cracked enough to loose water, overheat and quit thereby (not many details). I have read that .357 Magnum did penetrate car bodies (sheet metal) better than other rounds.
But I not recall any believable source claiming to either totally penetrate or otherwise instantly destroy an engine block.
crestoncowboy said:
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One of my biggest myths is the "can be converted to full auto just by using a nickel/ dime" myth. Never a penny though. Lol. I'm sure it comes from truth. And I'm sure it worked in some rifle. But ive heard it since I was a kid hearing folks talking to my ww2 vet grandpa right up to today. (My grandpa told them he never had a nickel to try it out lol) It's been said about every rifle from sks to AK to AR to M1 carbine. And I still hear it from time to time.
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I agree. Once I worked for just over a month trying to get a bump stock to work on an old SMLE. Never did.
 
I had an acquaintance that swore Glock pistols were made of porcelain/polymer to allow them through the various NASA metal detectors as the metal pistols were causing alarms multiple times per day. I also heard the M-16 makes the bullets tumble, and the venerable .30-06 is only good for 250 to 300 yard shots.
 
I've only handled one with the Mattel grips but it clearly said Colt on the lower receiver, lol.
 
Archie said:
But I not recall any believable source claiming to either totally penetrate or otherwise instantly destroy an engine block.
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My friend the Reserve Deputy and his supervisors knew that.
There was a tip that a large drug shipment was coming in by boat to a particular river landing.
So the drug task force staked out the landing.
But in case the dope runners evaded the Law, said friend was a ways up the road with a .30-06 full of M2 AP. That would slow them down, by gum.
His services were not needed. Darnit.
 
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