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What is this round and what shoots it?!

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by DM.Logan, Apr 20, 2013.

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  1. DM.Logan

    DM.Logan Member

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    Me and my stepdad found this round. He thought it was a .45 but looking at the bottom it says 42 wcc. I slid it in the cylinder of my rugers 45 acp cylinder and its too small for it. So what the hell is it? I looked on google and it showed me a lemat revolver from the civil war but I'm pretty sure this is way more modern then that. ImageUploadedByTapatalk1366496804.688321.jpg
     
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    It's military 45 ACP from WW2 timeframe
     
  4. onebilly43

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    From the picture it looks like that round has a corrosive primer and 42 is more in likely the date of the round
     
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    WCC = Western Cartridge Corporation
    42 = 1942 Manufacture

    My guess is it is a .45 ACP round made during WWII. Why it won't chamber for you in a .45 ACP chamber is anyone's guess.

    Ron
     
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    It was manufactured in 1942. Case could be corroded, that's why I could possibly not fit in your cylinder. I would pull for components.
     
  7. Fishslayer

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    Will an unsized fired case go into a chamber?
     
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    Unsized fired depends on the chamber it was fired in and the chamber we try to get it into. I have spent .45 ACP brass fired in one of my 1911 Colts and they chamber after being fired in that gun. Never tried them in my other 1911 guns.

    The OP mentions:
    I have no clue on that. I have seen some old WWII .45 ACP that is hard to chamber that looks to have swelled a little. I did have a few US made steel cased zinc coated .45 ACP WWII rounds that the primers were turned purple on and I just assumed from age and corrosive priming but never gave it much thought. I had them with a few WWII steel pennies.

    <EDIT>

    On another note as to WCC 42 being corrosive it is.

    WESTERN CARTRIDGE CORPORATION:
    Type: .30-'06 Ball
    Lot Number: 6428
    Date: June 1951
    First SAFE Headstamp: WCC 52

    Type: .45 ACP Ball
    Lot Number: 6375
    Date: November 1952

    The above data taken from here.

    </EDIT>

    Ron
     
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  9. DM.Logan

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    Thanks for the info. Very interesting. No plans on shooting it. I'm gonna take it home and put some calipers on it. Ill let y'all know just how small it is! Thanks again
     
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    Can you put up any more photos? Side view?
     
  11. DM.Logan

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    Ill put one up in the morning
     
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    FWIW - I collect WWII stuff, especially ammo, and that round would go right on my shelf with everything else. Bang, it never would. I have a box of 20 RA .45acp rounds all dated 1918.
     
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    There's no mystery to it. It's a .45 acp round made by Western Cartridge Company in 1942, right after WW II started. I've got a bunch of that brass, along with WCC 41 that was just shot at our range. In fact, I'm seeing a lot of really old ammunition now being fired for the first time, along with a lot of split cases from old, brittle brass.

    I also have some .45 acp rounds from 1918 that list the load of Bullseye on the box.

    Hope this helps.

    Fred
     
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    OP stated " I slid it in the cylinder of my rugers 45 acp cylinder and its too small for it"

    What is too small? The cylinder chamber or the cartridge?

    To me, it sounds like the cartidge is too small for the cylinder chamber.

    If the OP takes more pictures, I suggest that he places something of know size next to the unknown for scale comparision. For example, place a 45 ACP or 45 Colt cartridge on one side and a 9mm cartridge on the other side of the unknown.
     
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    The thing about that WW2 stuff is, you have no idea where it's been. And it's probably been in some pretty funky places. If it won't chamber, it goes on the curio shelf.
     
  16. DM.Logan

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    So the round is small for the cylinder. It fits on but has a ton of play. Sorry I had a long drive and just moved and had to set up my bench. When I get off work tomorrow I will throw a caliper in it and snap a pic
     
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    It's .45 ACP. I'd bet if you measured the bullet dia. you would come up with .451, or .452.
     
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    Those are spot-on specs for OAL & diameter at top of loaded case of a 45 acp. It's a collector piece so put it on your mantel (or with all the other collector stuff on your reloading bench, like mine... ;) )
     
  20. DM.Logan

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    Nice thanks all
     
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    Just curious, if it is a .45 ACP why would the round fit in the cylinder with a ton of play like the OP said originally.

    Thanks!
     
  22. rcmodel

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    Max SAAMI chambers on a newer Ruger, and Min WWII ammo standards to allow the rounds to fit in mud & dust choked 1911's in combat?

    Seriously, I do not think the loose fit is as loose as the OP says it is.
    Or maybe he tried it in the .45 Colt cylinder??

    Only the Shadow knows.

    rc
     
  23. DM.Logan

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    Was definitely the acp cyl.it not like its falling through the chamber or anything but it was most certainly looser then a new acp round
     
  24. rcmodel

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    Well, all I can tell you is, I was bigger in some respects, and smaller in others 40-50 years ago them I am now.

    And you can make what you want of that information.

    Not saying your WWII .45 ACP round did the same.

    But yours seems to measure out just as it should for a mil-spec WWII .45 ACP round.
    Perhaps what you compared it to with todays rounds are not mil-spec??

    rc
     
  25. DM.Logan

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    Very nice! I have no doubt your right as this is the oldest round I have ever seen. Thank rc I value your opinion!
     
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