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Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by giggitygiggity, May 23, 2020.

  1. giggitygiggity

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    I found this at my range. There were multiple of these. I have no idea what it is. It appears to be a .38 Short Colt CD07A5A0-B682-4295-893F-04A85FAC230F.jpeg 9A359944-51FB-4D89-BE24-EBB5509717CD.jpeg 167D041C-0812-49F9-9E55-183E8ECCEC7B.jpeg case lodged into a steel sleeve device. I know that law enforcement trains at my range so I do not know if it is something from their training. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks!
     
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  2. jonnyc

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    That's no modern LEO item. You have a sub-caliber chamber which allows you to shoot smaller, cheaper ammo in a larger caliber firearm. Looks like the black steel sub-caliber chamber might fit into a .45 Colt.
     
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  3. giggitygiggity

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    Interesting... Any idea why someone would have trashed about 10 of them with cases in them? I assume you only need one sub caliber chamber and could just pop the spent case out and reuse it? It looked like whoever had them was using one per shot.

    Also, what is the point of a shooting a .38 Short Colt out of a .45 Colt? I assume the .38 projectile would be tremendously inaccurate being fired through such a larger bore? Additionally, it makes even less sense since .45 Colt is generally more available and cheaper than .38 Short Colt.
     
  4. WestKentucky

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    That’s really weird. Doesn’t look like a regular chamber adapter either. The rim looks thick and the case looks too short.
     
  5. Ed Ames

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    It’s not a chamber adapter per se. The rim is too thick (what cartridge would it be adapting good to? It would need to be something shotgun sized by that rim is too thick) and to be honest nobody would toss 10 of those as they are expensive. Plus why 10? I’ve only ever seen the adapters sold as sets of 1 or 6.

    This is what a .38 special to .410 adapter looks like:
    https://www.gunadapters.com/410-to-38-special-scavenger-series/

    It seems more likely that those were .38 colt blanks set in some sort of sleeve to perhaps launch something like a teargas canister. Why .38 colt? I have no idea, maybe they were common when the thing was designed.
     
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    Isn't there a muzzle loaded that uses a sleeve like that and primed or blank cases as the ignition source? Like the Remington Ultimate Muzzle Loader?
     
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  9. Schlegel

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    Is the cartridge normal or a crimped blank?
     
  10. Jim Watson

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    Better be a blank, hole out the front end looks smaller than .36".
     
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    That's my guess. Somebody found it in a old storage locker or dad's garage. That's why they disposed of the sleeves along with the empty casings. Either didn't know any better or didn't care. The new looking Starline cases is a quandary tho...........
     
  12. giggitygiggity

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    I am pretty sure they’re blanks. I cannot get them out of the sleeves despite putting them in a vice and whacking at them with a hammer. Also, the muzzle end of the sleeve is not large enough for a .38 bullet. I also saw packaging for either flares or tear gas cannisters so I’m inclined to believe they are used for those purposes.
     

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  13. Archie

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    .38 Short Colt is an obsolete, early cartridge with a heeled bullet (a smaller section that fits inside the case, like a 22 rimfire). At one time, they were quite available and probably cheap. They are no longer either. They were used in revolvers, I know of no semi-automatic in which they would shoot. From the photos, I have no idea what arm would be the larger gun.

    I do know the U. S. military has (or had) such an adapter as a the 'primer' for cannon rounds. Except the 'smaller' round was a blank .38 Special made to set off the cannon round (155mm towed howitzer). Don't know what earlier ones might have been.

    The outer section looks like a chamber adapter, to fire the (presumably cheaper and less recoiling round) in a larger arm in place of the more expensive and harsh recoiling round. However to be effective in such manner, the 'larger' arm would have to be functionally the same bore diameter as the smaller round (I believe one can still get an adapter to fire .32 ACP ammunition in a .30-06 rifle; at one time they were plentiful).

    Likely these were thrown away in the belief they were worthless, the cartridge and arm for which they were made no longer popular or in use. But a collector of the old gun in question might be interested from a collector standpoint. Or a cartridge collector.
     
  14. Pat Riot
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    This has been bugging me since last evening. I have seen those adaptors before. They are for a .38 short Colt blank to fire a practice grenade or something similar. The only reason I even know that is I found some of those at a range in Norco CA years ago and a LA Sheriff Deputy friend told me that they were for training rounds for a grenade launcher but that was all I remembered.

    I found this document that discusses using .38 short Colt blanks in training rounds. Do a word search for “blank” and you will see various uses for the blank adaptors in different launchers.
    https://www.prc68.com/I/40mm.shtml

    Hope this helps
     
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  15. scaatylobo

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    Hope you find out and let all know EXACTLY what those are and how old are they ?.
     
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