WHAT IS THIS?

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  1. tark

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    I had this... whatever it is... given to me years ago. I was told that it is for a .58 caliber rifle musket. It isn't a Minie ball and it doesn't really look like a normal bullet at all. The front part is lead and the base appears to be aluminum. Nothing sticks to a magnet. Any ideas?

    The cap tin ( actually brass) appears to be pretty old. Anybody recognize this..? Do the letters "UCC" ring any bells? It doesn't look large enough to hold 250 of anything. It is about 1 1/2" in diameter.

    Just curious. Thanks for any help.
     

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  2. tark

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    I just discovered that the "bullet" comes apart.
     

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  3. PWC

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    UCC = Union Cartridge Co., precursor of Remington arms. It's old, probably has collector value.

    In the back of my mind, I've seen something like this before....maybe I'm thinking of some modern BP loads with powder attch to bullet.

    It's too small for pulling incrememts for a morter.
     
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  4. hawg

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    I've never seen a bullet like that. The base may be a zinc scraper. It's not for a rifled musket tho. The primer tin held centerfire primers made by the Union Cap & Chemical Co. in the early 1900's. No.2 primers were for black powder. Smokeless primers were designated no. 2 1/2.
     
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  5. Malachi Leviticus Blue

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    Looks like a base sabot of some kind, and reminds me of a Powerbelt.

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  6. hawg

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    You're thinking of UMC. Union Metallic Cartridge Co. They merged with Remington in 1912.
     
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    Williams Cleaner Bullet:
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  8. hawg

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    That's what made me think of a zinc scraper. I've got a few of those cleaner bullets in my collection.
     
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  9. tark

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    Question answered. Thanks guys!
     
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    What's the difference between a black powder primer, and a smokeless one?
     
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    BP certainly doesn’t need much to set it off, whereas smokeless needs a proper bit of starting.
     
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  12. hawg

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    What Roverguy said. Smokeless primers were hotter.
     
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    Marketing hype mostly, have used both types of primers reloading black powder and smokeless, didn't notice any difference, shells went bang, stuff came outta the barrel, bird went down.
     
  14. hawg

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    Do they still make No.2 primers? I know Remington makes No. 2 1/2.
     
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    That would force the base of the bullet to obturate. It looks like a mini ball. Interesting, I've never seen one either.
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    Even more interesting, no lube grooves. Clear coated bullet?
     
  16. hawg

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    That's not what it's for. it's a cleaner bullet. The zinc base is supposed to scrape fouling out. These two are from my personal collection.

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