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What is wrong with Amerc brass?

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by Plastic Cowboy, Nov 15, 2006.

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  1. Plastic Cowboy

    Plastic Cowboy Member

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    Been collecting range brass for awhile now in preperation for my purchase of a Dillon 550 in the next month or so. I shot 1000 rounds of Selliers & Bellot factory in 9mm luger so I've got that brass. Among the stuff I've collected there is some Amerc head stamped .45 ACP too!!

    Now my understanding is that the primer pockets on S&B brass is very tight so it makes depriming/repriming more difficult but other than that they should reload just fine...it this correct??

    And what about the Amerc brass I've collected? Why does everyone hate this stuff, I can't tell any difference visually between it and the other brands.

    Can I reload this stuff or does it belong in the recycling bin??? Why???

    Thanks in advance:)
     
  2. highlander 5

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    had only minor problems with S&B 9 mm brass their 45 acp forget it I had a fair amount om hand swaged the primer pockets and still had problems seating primers.
    No experience with Amerc but I believe the the flash hole is either undersized or punched off center
     
  3. Kruzr

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    You'll know why the first time you put an AMERC .45 case into the decapping/resizing die. AMERC brass is either thick or sized just a bit different than other brass and my Dillon dies don't like it at all!

    My Lee FCD isn't too crazy about it either. :)
     
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  4. Firehand

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    I've reloaded hundreds of S&B cases in .45acp with no problems, seems to be good stuff.

    I don't know about the Amerc .45, I do know their .30 Carbine is crappy. It seems to be thnner-walled, it's real easy to bulge it belling the case mouth.
     
  5. EddieCoyle

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    S&B is fine. Toss the Amerc. If you don't believe me, then try it. Here's what you'll find:

    1. Off center flash holes will break your decapping punches
    2. Brass rips when you bell it
    3. Primer pockets are loose
    4. Brass rips when you insert the bullet
    5. Reloads split when you shoot them

    Don't say you weren't warned.
     
  6. DILLONHELP

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    At the recent USPSA Area 2 Championship, a competitor on my squad had a failure to fire on a once-fired 45 A-Merc case reload. The primer came out of the loaded cartridge while in the magazine. After the stage was over, the ejected cartridge was recovered, and the live primer was found in the magazine. He then sorted out several other pieces of reloaded A-Merc brass, and threw them into a case cleaner for an hour. Primers on four more cartridges worked their way out during the process.
    I strongly advise against reloading A-Merc brass!:cuss:
     
  7. JoeHatley

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    I am a total range brass whore. I pick up everything, but AMERC. The "brass" they use is too brittle, and it's almost always out out of spec. Generally in the flash hole or primer pocket, but sometimes the rim or extractor cut.

    Joe
     
  8. SDC

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    I've only run across it a couple of times, but my experiences has also been that the primer pockets are either too large to begin with, or that the brass is so soft that once it expands, it won't accept a new primer.
     
  9. Steve C

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    The main reason I toss it is, as others have said, the primer pocket is so loose that it won't hold a new primer a lot of the time.
     
  10. Plastic Cowboy

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    Thanks everyone-- this is exactly the information I was looking for. When I get home I will cull the Amerc from my brass collection, its just not worth the trouble.

    I'm glad to hear that I can use the pile of S&B that I've accumulated though. Seems like a tight primer pocket could be beneficial in keeping them snug after several uses.
     
  11. Navy joe

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    Use Winchester primers, they feel the most consistent in seating on the Dillon to me. With S&B I usually do not have to trim a primer pocket, just ease it in there once you feel the primer tighten up.
     
  12. TheGrouch

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    Only experienced AMERC in .45. Absolutely cannot get proper crimp (S&W 625) due to thickness. It goes into scrap pile every time.
     
  13. donkee

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    What's wrong with AMERC?


    Everything.......
     
  14. steveracer

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    I bought 1K rounds of AMERC.

    .45ACP. I found that the bullets were actually breaking apart in-flight, and I was making three or four holes in the paper with each round fired at 10M. Scary.
    I shot the rest of them with an UZI at steel plates, and will never ever buy that crap again, ever.
     
  15. EddieCoyle

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    This is pretty funny.

    On virtually every subject on every forum, you'll get two opposing sides - people that like Glocks vs. people that hate Glocks, 9mm vs .45 etc. If not opposing sides, at least you'll get a dissenting voice or two. In fact, I bet if I started a thread asking whether or not people liked the taste of antifreeze, we'd get at least couple of people that like the sweet flavor of green propylene glycol.

    However, we have stumbled onto an exception: Amerc brass.
     
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    What?!? EddieCoyle. Are you saying that nobody likes Amerc???:D
     
  17. Navy joe

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    You mean I'm not supposed to like antifreeze? Good thing I do, because if someone ever told me all I could ever have for the rest of my life was Amerc ammo I would be convinced I was in the 7th level of hell and drink a gallon of antifreeze in an attempt to escape.
     
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    Just look at piece of Amerc brass - you will know not to use it.

    I've never seen any other brass that you could tell was junk just by looking
    at it!:barf:
     
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    When I first stumbled onto some Amerc brass years ago, the first thing that made it stand out was that about half of it wouldn't even fit in the shell holder! It's pure crap, throw it out!

    :barf: Amerc :barf:
     
  20. Plastic Cowboy

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    So let me get this straight.....are you guys trying to say that Amerc brass is bad?






    j/k
     
  21. Dr. Dickie

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    No, no. It is the NAME we don't like. The brass is okay:neener:
     
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    Recyclers love Amerc - cause we give it to them only once used. I found some Amerc in 9mm in my brass pile - yuck.
     
  23. AgentOrange

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    there 30 carbine cases are well known to seperate ,not just on reloads, but there factory cases. i got what i thought was a "deal" on some 50rd boxs of 30 carbine awhile back. bought 500 rounds in 50rd boxs for 5 bucks a box. took them out to the range, and nthey were extremely inconsistant. some felt underloaded, and some were obviousley OVER CHARGED. cases split right and left, numerous case seperations. i ended up having to come home and order a broken shell extractor. i called the manufacture and old them about it, and they told me to send the ammo t them for replacment, so i sent them around 350 rounds, and never seen a return cartridge from them. i didnt push the issue, i took it as a lesson learned and never bought a single piece of there ammo after that, and never will. i have around 150 rouns of there 30 carbine brass out n the shop i kept just in case i wanted to roll up some "throw away cases"
     
  24. Dark Skies

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    "American Ammunition is dedicated to providing the best quality ammunition at the best price. Every product that we manufacture exceeds every standard in the industry."

    That's from their website.

    They're lying on an international scale. Nobody I know in the UK will use their stuff either.
     
  25. zippy45

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    Talk about a resurrection. The original thread was a few years old.

    When I see A-merc, it goes directly to the recycle bucket, no questions asked. This is the worst brass in the world, so don't use it.
     
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