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Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Porter Rockwell, Jan 2, 2003.

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  1. Porter Rockwell

    Porter Rockwell Member

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    Some years ago I recall the line in an old Playboy magazine "Who Reads Playboy", hey, it was the one with Elke Somner!
    What kind of man will pay five or six thousand dollars ($6000.00 American!) for a "custom" 1911??
    Maybe I'm very old fashioned but after some research a good number of quality makers market a top shelf product (Valtro-Kimber-DW-Colt-Springfield) far cheaper.
    So, to borrow from the current PC lexicon...Wat's UpWit That?
     
  2. dsk

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    It's also like asking why anybody would spend money to lower a car, put brush guards on a truck, add a trick paint job and hot-rod the engine when the speed limit is only 60mph anyway.

    We Americans simply love our toys. :D
     
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    Oviously some deranged individual. If I had $6000US laying around, I'd buy something much more functional, like another machinegun. :D
     
  4. hansolo

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    $6,000.00 Handgun..why?

    Why do some wealthy folks buy a Humvee when they'll never leave the pavement? Why do they drop $1,000,000.00 on a piece of jewelry? CONSPICUOUS CONSUMPTION :neener:
     
  5. Porter Rockwell

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    I well understand the "hotrod" thing in cars as well as Harleys.
    I can see the blower or mags and paint scheme but all 1911s pretty much look alike, stocks, grip safety and sights aside, the basic platform as designed by Mr Browning has been copied by pretty much everyone. Even the Chinese managed an extremely serviceable gun for what, $250.00?
    I now that PT Barnum wrote "there's a sucker etc" but $6K for a Custom (what's Custom about a locked breech 1911?) gun that anyone with a mechanical apptitude beyond changing spark plugs can build on their own?
    Most of the so called "name" smiths don't even build their own frames and slides so it's simply assemble your hand picked pile of parts and buyer beware!
    Thanks for the response!
     
  6. Porter Rockwell

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    Somehow I doubt you'll find another #12 SMG in a pistol caliber for $6K..chuckle!
    Personally if I had the $$$$ I'd seek out a Browning BAR but that's just me!
     
  7. dsk

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    Well..... that's taking it a bit far, but I get your point. However I honestly doubt Mr. Joe Garage Gunsmith can properly fit a match barrel or lap a tightly fitted slide and frame to silky smoothness. Such endeavors are truly time consuming and require skill to do, which of course equals a high labor charge. But at the same time I wonder just how badly the average person needs to spend so much on just one firearm. Like everybody else has said, $6000 can buy a lot of decent guns or one really nice one. I guess it's up to the individual to decide which will derive more pleasure. As for me, I'd rather have ten $600 1911s or six $1000 1911s than a single $6000 one.

    It still doesn't answer the question of whether a single $6000 1911 is better than a $600 one, however. :scrutiny:
     
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    If it makes the person that spent the $6K happy, it's better and worth it.
     
  9. Pendragon

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    I think even a $1200-$1800 1911 is demonstrably better than a $600 model.

    However, when I got my Valtro, Jardine told us that his custom guns go from about $5000-$10,000

    He also said that the Valtro was about 99.9% of what those guns are.

    However :)

    A truly custom 1911 by a master smith is something very few people own. Not only that, if you have it made to your taste, it will be unique in all the world.

    Do not make the mistake in thinking that a $6000 gun is 5x more functional than a $1200 gun - thats ridiculous.

    What you do get is extremely good fitting and many custom flourishes. You know that every part fits every other part just right.

    I like my Valtro, but there are a few things I would change if I was doing it from the ground up. However, it is not worth multiplying the price several times to get these relatively small changes. If I had a million bucks or more, I would think nothing of it.
     
  10. Marshall

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    Yep, one will put a hole in ya as well as the other!

    However, it's all relative to the amount of money you have. Look at Plazma TV's, hi dollar Home Entertainment systems, heck, the house you live in! I am willing to bet, the vast majority of us could get by just fine with a smaller home but, we like more! Is bigger or, smaller and more expensive better? Not always but, in most cases, yes!

    Now saying that, I concure on the subject of guns in general. $800.00 - $1,500.00 is going to get you an extremely nice shotgun, rifle or handgun! The ironic thing is, most people that don't know guns say were are crazy for spending this much and we have more money than we know what to do with. So, it really does boil down to the fact we probably are mentally deficient ;) but, we are damn well armed retards. :neener: And, I choose to stay this way!:D


    Marshall

    Ps "That gun was how much?" :what: :what: :what: Well sweetie, we really need this one! :cool:
     
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    I guess it's all about perceived value. If the consumer sees the value in a $6000 pistol, and they have the money for one, why not? Still better than a crack habit!
    I have a shooting buddy that only has 4 guns in his collection. Each one is a custom, each one is very nice & reliable to shoot and each one cost more than $2500. His race gun cost $6k :what: Now, he does compete and really does appreciate the craftsmanship in his guns.
    To each his own :cool:
     
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    Where does this $6,000 figure come from? I've seen people bring it up before, but I think it is mythical outside the world of full-tilt raceguns with trick optics and so forth.

    Most major pistolsmiths charge about $3,000-$4,000 for a full custom, built from scratch gun with all the trimmings you can think of. Figure $500-1,500 for customization packages on factory guns, and of course they'll do less or more depending on what you ask for.

    Not cheap, but $2,000-$3,000 less than the (probably made up, silly) $6,000 figure quoted above. And if you talk to the pistolsmiths, they are usually the first to tell you that there is no "need" to spend that kind of money on your gun, just that they are happy to do it if you want it.
     
  13. Sean Smith

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    To follow up:

    People have these outrageous ideas about how much custom work on a 1911 costs, as if pistolsmiths do nothing but charge $6,000 to do anything and make you wait 10 years for it.

    Sure, there are probably a couple of loons that do that kind of business. But that's not even the norm for the guys with big magazine spreads and long backlogs... let alone everyone else.

    Even with the big guys your cost and wait are proportional to how much work you want done on your gun. If you are determined to have something carved by hand out of unobtanium then, yeah, you will spend alot of money and get in the back of the line of all the crazy people like you. For those that only want the same performance as that $6,000 bugbear gun, you probably only have to spend $500 and wait a couple of months... maybe less. Not cheap, but a totally different animal from untold thousands of dollars.

    As an aside, all I shoot now is a new, nearly stock Colt. Very nice gun for the money.
     
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    I could see paying allot of cash for a pistol or rifle if it was owned by a famous war vet that killed untold amounts of the enemy saving countless others. Or possibly a general or other high ranking officer.

    But for a 1911 with no heritage. No way!

    I'd spend that on a rem700 in 300win and a nice leupold scope, bullets, powder, brass and dies and still have money to get a accurate 1911.

    And probably make a mortgage payment and buy some groceries as well. :rolleyes:
     
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    If I put a racing stripe on my 1911, will it go faster? Or do I have to get a louder subwoofer as well?

    (Well hey, my daughter's boyfriend says it works for Hondas! ;) )

    -0-
     
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    It could be a matter of income. Being a college student, purchasing a Springfield was my upper limit. But if I made $150K/year, 6K on a pistol is a small portion of my income, therefore I'm more likely to buy it. Granted the 6K pistol may not be better functionally than a 1.5K pistol, but who cares as long as it floats your boat.
     
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    Caveat Emptor!

    However, if an individual feels that $6000 (or $2000, or $200) is a fair price for what they've purchased, then it IS a fair price!;)
     
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    Probably refers to the LLAMA that was fully engraved, gold plated, with faux pearl stocks. :D
     
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    Im just figuring this out because Im waiting to get some stuff from a client right now. And because its fun


    rem 700p 300win 700.00+tax
    leuplold scope 1200.00+tax
    powder, dies, brass and bullets Ill do... 1000.00+ tax
    reagualar good shooting 1911a 900.00 +tax

    total for taxable items 3700.00
    tax on those items 322.00
    mortgage payment 1280.00
    car payment 300.00

    total 5700.00
    - 6000.00

    =300.00

    yep looks like I have just around 300 dollars to spend on food and stuff and I even included a car payment as well....nice

    Now I can hit a target at untold distances with frightning accuracy and I have a really spiffy pistol and god only knows how many hand loads you can buy for 300win for a "1000" dollars. Not the mention the joy of assembling all that stuff.

    Yeah I think I'd spend it this way instead.

    (spend the extra 300 on 45acp I should be able to get 1500rds for 300 bucks and still have enough to buy a pack of smokes or a six pack of pepsi)

    :D
     
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    If you've got the money honey...

    $6K 1911?

    Is Kidbillions posting on gunbroker again?

    Either someone wants a super custom one-of-a-kind piece of superb quality with a cost is no limit budget.

    -or-

    Someone is seriously overcompensating for something.

    -LeadPumper
     
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    Who is Elke Somner?
     
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    You mean you wasted time reading the article when pix of Elke Sommer were in there?? :scrutiny:
     
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    One who has more money than sense! :D

    (Keep yer shirts on; if ya got it and wanna spend it, go right ahead.)

    I think I've got about $6,000 TOTAL in my whole collection of 13 guns. Haven't sat down and added it up, really, but this may cause me to do so.

    The question really is one of means, though. People spend outrageous sums of money on houses and cars all the time, for no real reason other than THEY CAN. If firearms happen to be your thing, then by all means indulge yourself.
     
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    Depends what you are after...the STI full-pop open-class racegun I have ran me $1,800 in parts alone...dealer cost, not retail. If I were to build one like mine for someone else, I'd charge an easy $3k. And...I'm not one of the ubersmiths :what:


    Alex
     
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    They're probably referring to a Baer Thunder Ranch - Special Engraved Model which has a retail of $5,999.00.

    Other than that, about the highest price 1911 I have seen is the Wilson Super Grade at $3,500.00

    Would you really pay $5,999.00 to have Baer's ugly mug specialy engraved on your 1911? LMAO :what:


    Marshall :)
     
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