What kind of MG is this?

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Fabrique Nationale M-249 SAW is available from OMB Guns for $5225 and the M-249 Paratrooper version sells for $5100. Available to FN Law Enforcement dealers only. Stated cyclic rate of 775 RPM.
 
R.W. Dale said:
Do you think machine guns are used in fixed positions mounted on auto traverse mechanisms covering ranged fields of interlocking fire like its still 1916 on the western front?

Lord I hope not, for the sake of the soldiers. Having to lug around a big water cooled HMG like the M1917 Browning or the Vickers takes about a whole squad of men. Great guns for fixed positions, damn hard to use on the tripod when on the move.
 
Do you think machine guns are used in fixed positions mounted on auto traverse mechanisms covering ranged fields of interlocking fire like its still 1916 on the western front?

Some are, or at least can. The M2 and the Mk19 both can use a standard traversing and elevation mount which can be locked for specific fields of fire. I think the 240B and even the SAW can be mounted this way too though I've never seen it. We never really train with that stuff anyways since combat in Afghanistan is very fluid. Fixed positions aren't really used all that much, unless it's a tower or a shooting position on a Combat Outpost. I personally never got stuck doing perimeter security so I'm not sure how their guns were set up. But when I deployed we never used the traditional T&E for our guns. We either carried them and used the built in bipod like in the video, or we had vehicle mounted guns. A few had the CROWS system, which basically is a remote operated turret from inside the vehicle. Cool idea but crappy when it breaks.
 
You guys don't have a clue.

I have a few clues. Been in similar situations overseas, and I train soldiers stateside. It is fine and dandy to admire the courage of the soldiers in the video, and I certainly hold no sort of ill feelings towards them, but for those of us who have been in those situations and will be going there again, critiquing poor combat performances is necessary.

The SAW gunner was by far one of the best of the bunch. My only critique was he should have slowed down his rate of fire well before he realized he was down to a 100 rds.

Many have mentioned that he was doing the right thing by suppressing so his squad could maneuver. He did a great job of suppressing, his squad did a terrible job of maneuvering. Judging from the sound of the incoming there were about 2-3 enemy combatants, who successfully pinned down at least a squad for about 20 minutes, before finally forcing them to withdraw. That is embarrassing to anyone who wears the uniform or has any pride in our nations fighting forces.

The worst part was the riflemen, equipped with ACOGs no less, who did not take advantage of the SAW gunners suppression to acquire, identify, and engage the targets. I often mock the "hadji" firing position when giving basic rifle marksmanship classes. The two riflemen in this video provide perfect examples of this position, firing blindly over their heads while not even attempting to aim the weapon.
 
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Addendum : God that river looks like Alaska.
 
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Yep, considering how much it costs to modify an AR-15 for belt feeding, it's cheaper to get a Pre-86 M-16.

I'm just looking forward to when the Stoner rifles end up as C&R bait... lol

I really hope the Hayes Amendment isn't around in 2035 and I still am. ;)
 
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