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What kind of pepper spray do you carry?

Discussion in 'Non-Firearm Weapons' started by Oracle, Dec 24, 2002.

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  1. Oracle

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    What kind of pepper spray do you guys carry, or do you carry pepper spray at all? I always carry pepper spray in addition to my sidearm, because there are situations where that might be a better option. I've been carrying the Fox Labs 11oz. spray, but I don't like the way the container is made, to activate it, the button is pushed to the side and down, and many times I've found it pushed into the "on" position after it's been in my pocket for a while (it hasn't sprayed on me yet, though). I'm considering getting the ASP keychain pepper spray, as it's slimmer, easier to carry, and has a more active but just as easy to release safety mechanism, so it's less likely to go off in my pocket. The Fox Labs spray is about twice as strong as the ASP spray, though (Fox Labs is 5.4 million SHU, vs. the ASP spray's 2 million SHU). Decisions, decisions.
     
  2. Blackhawk

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    Don't carry OC, but if I did, it would be Fox.
     
  3. QKRTHNU

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    Fox. 5.3 million SHUs makes me smile. :D

    I have a 2oz fog type spray in the nylon belt-clip case, but I find myself carrying the keychain spatter spray much more often since it's so small and it's attached to my car keys.
     
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    I never looked. I picked a canister up for the wife as a Christmas gift. I also carry it because sometimes you can't shoot.
     
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    We are issued First Defense mk-4 in the 3oz. size. Carry is mandatory on duty. Don't carry away from work as of yet.
     
  6. Jack19

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    Fox. It works better than anything else I've ever seen.

    Will be testing the grenade version next week. :D
     
  7. KMKeller

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    I don't currently carry any, but have been thinking about getting some. It seems that Fox is getting the general nod.
     
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    Hydrashocks!:D
     
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    Guardian OC, prefer the fog rather than the stream.

    Whatever you decide upon, get a class and keep fresh stuff.
     
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    FREEZE +P+ you can hear their eyelids slam shut.:D
     
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    Fox.

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  12. Fed168

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    Zark Industries. So far it has a 50% success rate.
     
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    Without a doubt, Fox.
     
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    Fox Labs.
     
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    Following extensive research and posting on various forums, I picked up:

    Fox 5.3 - Cone - 2 oz
     
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    I carry the ASP Defender (the keychain gadget). I like it. It is a bit long to carry comfortably in my pocket, so I'm planning to switch to the shorter Palm Defender I just found out about.

    When I tested the thing (not just the tester canister, but the real thing, too), the result was a nice spray rather than a stream. Having taken insufficient account of the wind direction, I can attest to the discomfort involved. There again, while being distracted and angered by the pain, I was far from incapacitated. Frankly, I think that's beyond the ability of any OC.
     
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    I carry Punch II. Accidentally went off in my pocket once, and it really stung! I had to drive with my head stuck outside the window so that the blowing wind would soothe my face. It also got all over my keys, so for weeks afterwards I'd still smell the OC whenever I opened my car or house door.
     
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    While there are many very good OC products on the market, Fox (IMHO) is without a doubt the best.. everything else rates a very distant second place... low in percentage, high in SHU, very good customer service, QC issues are rare, etc...


    FWIW we (Legion) will be teaching a Fox Labs O.C. Aerosol Weapons Instructor Course (factory certified) in Memphis on February 8th and 9th. This course authorizes the student instructor to teach the Fox basic O.C. course upon completion. More information about the program can be found at our web site (www.legionconsulting.com). The course is "open enrollement".. anyone is free to participate...

    Stay Safe and Win at All Costs!
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    MACE pepper foam:)
     
  20. Edward429451

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    So how many of ya'll have actually maced someone and know what to expect?

    I had an occassion forced on me once many moons ago in Columbus Ohio. Warm summer day, perp in shorts and tennis shoes only. Skipping the auful details of why I hosed him up and down with it (stream type) and it seemed like a full five seconds before he reacted to it with the loudest girlish scream I ever heard. He had other things to think about then besides giving me a hard time so it worked, but a full five seconds???

    It didnt impress me.
     
  21. nualle

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    Edward: Was that 5 seconds watch time or 5 seconds adrenaline time? Could be that your perceptions were sped up, as can happen under stress.
     
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    Well It sure seemed like a long time. Seemed like longer actually but I figure it was really only 5 sec or so. It was a long time ago and my only occassion to use it so not a valid test did make, really. Maybe some LEO's on the board have used it a few times or more and can comment on reaction times of the chems that they have seen first hand.

    He was a pretty big boy but did have a lot of skin showing so it did work as intended, but left me feeling that it should have worked faster. I continue to wonder if it would have turned out the same if he would have had more clothes on or been more aggressive than he was...

    All I knew was I didn't want to touch him at that point, so beat feet! :p
     
  23. JPM70535

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    The Sherffs I worked for issued pepper spray,though I can't remember what brand. Personally, I was never comfortable with spraying a BG with any kind of a breeze blowing. During training, more than one Deputy got more of the spray than the BG (trainer)
    Having been sprayed, I know that it is capable of rendering an officer less than 100 percent effective. Not a good thing.
     
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    I have personal experience with the "SABRE" brand of sprays.. it's a CN/CS gas + pepper + Id dye.

    My fiancee's spray cap popped off one day (small keychain unit- shoe now uses an upgraded unit with a non poppable cap), and I tried to pop it back on.

    Lo and behold, the thing goes off in my hand. We both started coughihg about a second later (tear gas effect), and the back of my hand was on FIRE!

    Damn thing burned for 13 hours- I tried oil, water, soap, toothpaste.. it just burned and burned!

    I keep a larger can in the car- it's good stuff!

    -Dave
     
  25. Gray_Fallen

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    I dont carry any sort of defense spray. I really dont have a lot of use for them.
    I was watching Fear Factor the other night, and they were locking these people in little rooms and popping something like Fox grenades, and making them stay in there as long as they could. 30 seconds was probably the average. But thats a long time in a fight, and the amount of stuff floating around in the little room, was far more than comes out a spray can like you carry... and watching it, I'm thinking "Any of these people, spray them all you like with a can, and they could still keep coming if they were p!ssed enough, not to mention if they were on something." because it seems true to me, none of 'em were falling down on their knees, screaming, etc. etc. Yes, being locked in a room full of the stuff made them tear up, vomit, cough, hack, etc. but thats a pretty extreme exposure too... and really, the reactions are not enough to make me comfortable with thinking sprays are so reliable.
    I realize these folks werent being sprayed right in the face, with the stuff spraying in their eyes, mouths and up their noses, but still.. :scrutiny:

    My use for them, and for this I may eventually get a can, is, basically, "eye-jab in a can". To create temporay blindness, to give me a momentary upper-hand, to deliver something more fight-stopping. Metsebushi if you will.
    Aside from that, I'll stick with how I do things already.
     
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