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jumping spiders and wolf spiders are nothing to be worried about.
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what kind of spider is this? saw it in a deer stand
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FLAvalanche
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I've always heard it's the hairs on their butts that are reflective.
It is a jumping spider, 'Mostly harmless'. In our area there is a jumping spider just the color of the lichens on the Oak Trees that our deer stands are in. Looking for them gives you something to do when the deer aren't moving. If you really want to get a hold of how many spiders there are in a given area go out side early on a really foggy day and check out the webs and remember not all spiders spin webs. Just think about how many insects are caught every day by spiders. Without them we would be up to our bottoms in bugs. I have been bitten twice once by Brown Recluse and once by Black Widow. The Recluse bite was worse or maybe it was where it accrued?
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I wouldn't say the bite of a brown recluse spider isn't dangerous. I lost a good friend of mine because he was bitten by one while he was out in his garage cleaning up junk. He got bit but didn't think it was a big deal. Within a week, he was in the hospital in very bad shape. By the time 2 weeks had gone by, he was dead. They are usually NOT that dangerous to the majority of people out there, but if you get bit, I'd go see a doctor immediately just to be safe.
I have many Black Widows here, and far as I have ever seen, they are shy, easy going, and glad to be downright friendly if treated friendly.
You'd have to really be oblivious to get bit by one, and, they will usually retreat rather than aggress anyway, if accidently bothered or bumped.
All the ones here, if I hold out a finger with a drop of Water on it, and talk to them, they come on over to the edge of their Web, and drink the water from my finger tip.
They learn your Voice pretty fast, and will come when called to say 'Hello'...and or to have a few sips of Water, if their Bug Catching enterprise has been slow.
If one must move them to a new spot, it is easy to do on a Tissue or Kleenex, or, if gently, one can encourage them to climb from their Web, and onto one's Palm, and ride to the great outdoors that a way, which they are glad to do so long as one is patient and easy with them...about the same as anyone, really, would be under similar conditions.
Lots of Cellar Spiders here also, who make high Webs and hang upside down in them.
On and on...Grass Spiders, Net Web Spiders, Hunter-Preditor Spiders...
If one gets a suspected Brown Recluse bite, best thing to do is excise the initial necrotic condition with a slender new 'Xacto' Knife, and then sprinkle in any sort of good topical antibiotic, such as Nitrofurizone.
It'll never amount to anything worth mentioning, then...and or will be entirely healed in a day or two.
But, do not excise the initial necrotic locus, and you will very likely have some remorse.
If not sure what kind of bite it is, see if it has a gooey usually greyish, necrotizing center some little ways under the skin...and if it does, it is a Spider bite of some sort then.
Spiders inject enzymes which liquify tissues.
Easy to excise, and better safe than sorry if not sure what kind of Spider has done the bite.
I used to do a lot of outdoors Work, cleaning out old Barns and Sheds and Outbuilding and so on, and, sometimes, end of the day, I would find a Spider bite or two, usually wrists or ankles or belt line of waist.
I'd excise as described, and never had any problems.
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Other guys I knew or worked with, doing similar work, now and then would develop what was likely a Brown Recluse bite syndrome, of a widening punky or ulcerated lesion, to the Bone even, and endless hassles and discomforts and dr bills and systemic med regimens, and so on...horrid...
Hence my advocay of an easy, pre-emptive if mildly invasive procedure, a simple forthright pragmatic, to ensure no such eventuations occur.
You'd have to really be oblivious to get bit by one, and, they will usually retreat rather than aggress anyway, if accidently bothered or bumped.
All the ones here, if I hold out a finger with a drop of Water on it, and talk to them, they come on over to the edge of their Web, and drink the water from my finger tip.
They learn your Voice pretty fast, and will come when called to say 'Hello'...and or to have a few sips of Water, if their Bug Catching enterprise has been slow.
If one must move them to a new spot, it is easy to do on a Tissue or Kleenex, or, if gently, one can encourage them to climb from their Web, and onto one's Palm, and ride to the great outdoors that a way, which they are glad to do so long as one is patient and easy with them...about the same as anyone, really, would be under similar conditions.
Lots of Cellar Spiders here also, who make high Webs and hang upside down in them.
On and on...Grass Spiders, Net Web Spiders, Hunter-Preditor Spiders...
If one gets a suspected Brown Recluse bite, best thing to do is excise the initial necrotic condition with a slender new 'Xacto' Knife, and then sprinkle in any sort of good topical antibiotic, such as Nitrofurizone.
It'll never amount to anything worth mentioning, then...and or will be entirely healed in a day or two.
But, do not excise the initial necrotic locus, and you will very likely have some remorse.
If not sure what kind of bite it is, see if it has a gooey usually greyish, necrotizing center some little ways under the skin...and if it does, it is a Spider bite of some sort then.
Spiders inject enzymes which liquify tissues.
Easy to excise, and better safe than sorry if not sure what kind of Spider has done the bite.
I used to do a lot of outdoors Work, cleaning out old Barns and Sheds and Outbuilding and so on, and, sometimes, end of the day, I would find a Spider bite or two, usually wrists or ankles or belt line of waist.
I'd excise as described, and never had any problems.
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Other guys I knew or worked with, doing similar work, now and then would develop what was likely a Brown Recluse bite syndrome, of a widening punky or ulcerated lesion, to the Bone even, and endless hassles and discomforts and dr bills and systemic med regimens, and so on...horrid...
Hence my advocay of an easy, pre-emptive if mildly invasive procedure, a simple forthright pragmatic, to ensure no such eventuations occur.
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Zeke Markham
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And then there are camel spiders, google them, scary stuff right there, they DO chase you. Pictures removed, way too big, sorry.
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millertyme
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Oyeboten, that's on the edge of what I'd call crazy.
jimmyraythomason
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Depends on the species and WHERE they are. Black widows and brown recluses are dead anywhere I find them,espeacially around my house.
sleepyone
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A good friend of mine was picking mustang grapes on her farm, in shorts 
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I told her she should call her mustang grape jelly "The Black Widow Jelly" and sell it for $50/jar to recover her medical expenses!
I always assumed Black Widows were only in garages, sheds, etc... but a friend said they have severe infestations in their shrubs. Makes sense. Black Widows were around long before we were building garages. Now I look twice before poking my hand in our flowerbeds.
, and got bit by something. She did not realize it until that night when she took a bath and felt some soreness on her lower leg and a faint red mark. The next morning she started feeling nauseated, feverish and achy. Her leg started swelling. She was in the hospital that night. Her foot swelled so much that her heal split open. She was delirious. She spent four days in the hospital and took another week to get over it. Her leg was still swollen two weeks later. However, her flesh never rotted and the actual bite mark was never bigger than a pinhead. They are pretty sure it was a black widow. Nothing else around here, North Texas, could cause that kind of reaction.I told her she should call her mustang grape jelly "The Black Widow Jelly" and sell it for $50/jar to recover her medical expenses!
I always assumed Black Widows were only in garages, sheds, etc... but a friend said they have severe infestations in their shrubs. Makes sense. Black Widows were around long before we were building garages. Now I look twice before poking my hand in our flowerbeds.
jimmyraythomason
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Er...what are "mustang grapes"?
Todd1700
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Ahhhh, no. I'm a RN and I have treated people in the ER bitten by black widow spiders. It is far from a trivial matter. They inject a neuro toxin that causes intense pain and muscle spasms. Although rarely life threatening I've seen people in so much pain that 10 mg of IV morphine and 10 mg of IV valium given one behind the other didn't touch it. If you truely got bitten by an actual Black Widow, which I doubt, and had symptoms that mild then count yourself lucky because that is not the norm.
Amen. Man I honestly don't mean to be ugly but your post describes behavior so stupid that I hope no one seriously takes it to heart. Sorry for the name calling and if the mods ban me for it all I ask as a last request is that they remove your post also before some kid reads it and thinks it's okay to serve black widows water drops from your finger or move them alive using a tissue. LORD HAVE MERCY!!
Here's a spider to fear!
Now THIS is a spider - a camel spider (or Solifugae, to be precise). Very nasty creatures common in desert areas throughout the world. We'd catch them in Africa and the middle east and match them up against scorpions. They have incredibly sharp front teeth that they use to rip up their prey.
Now THIS is a spider - a camel spider (or Solifugae, to be precise). Very nasty creatures common in desert areas throughout the world. We'd catch them in Africa and the middle east and match them up against scorpions. They have incredibly sharp front teeth that they use to rip up their prey.
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The only spider of interest ive seen out here in hawaii were Recluse and maybe a few widows. The big cane spiders/ banana spiders are the ones i really dont like, but as long as they arnt trying to jump on me ill leave them alone....centipedes, now they are just down right mean, nasty, vandictive critters.
Wolf spider bites might cause swelling and itching local to the bite. If there was tissue loss due to a wolf spider bite it wasn't directly due to the effects of the venom. There may have been an issue with a severe allergy or a secondary infection, but more likely the spider involved wasn't a wolf spider.
Getting bitten by a large spider will hurt because they have big "teeth" (fangs) and poking a hole with the fangs will hurt. We had one of the "garden spiders" (Argiope) in a web near the front door for awhile and I would feed it grasshoppers from time to time. In the beginning she was pretty small and I had to find little hoppers for her, but over the summer she grew pretty large and it got to where she could handle any size hopper I caught. The sound of her fangs scratching around on the "armor" of a big grasshopper trying to puncture it was pretty grisly.
That said, only the Widow and Recluse families (in terms of spiders native to North America) should cause any sort of serious effect in people who don't have some sort of specific allergy.
The Hobo spider (and others of the "funnel web family") may also cause some serious effects, but they are introduced species, not native to North America. Still, they are common in the Pacific Northwest.
I'm not super up-to-date on the latest research, but the last material I read that addressed this issue indicated that there are no spiders known to be vectors for any microorganisms known to cause disease in humans.
The spider in the OP is a jumping spider. It is a harmless spider and they're fairly interesting as spiders go. We have high ceilings in the front room and once in a great while a jumping spider will get on the ceiling and go on safari looking for a bug. It's fun to get the laser pointer out and see how long the spider will chase the red glowing "bug" around.
The brighter the light and the darker the night, the more impressive this is.
That's correct. They're arachnids, but they're in a different order than spiders are. Some other orders in the arachnid class are scorpions, harvestmen, spiders and ticks. The members of the order that contains camel spiders (solpugids) aren't usually dangerous to humans although getting bitten by something with fangs that big wouldn't be fun.
Black Widows are not very mobile when they're not in their web and they aren't aggressive. Most spider bites result from a spider being accidentally grabbed or crushed. Moving a widow around on a tissue isn't very dangerous although one could easily make the case that it's a risk that need not be taken.
I won't be trying to feed a venomous spider water from my fingertip any time soon. I would say that's more risky than transporting a widow on a tissue though I wouldn't say it's crazy dangerous--it just goes beyond my personal risk threshold.
By the way, brown recluses are a completely different story from the widows. They are very fast when they want to be. Trying to move one of them on a tissue would be a bad idea.
Arkansas Paul
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If it's a non poisonous spider and it just hangs out in it's web, I'd leave it in the stand. He'll kill any insect that gets caught in the web. They have a job to do as well. Now the poisonous ones like black widows or brown recluses get killed immediately.
Todd1700
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One more bit of info as to a spot you might encounter a black widow. One of the first jobs I ever had as kid right out of high school was working for the town I lived in. Once a month we would go around and read peoples water meters so the monthly bills could be prepared. Those concrete water meter boxes submerged in the ground with just the little metal flap on the top were a black widow haven. Even in a little small town of 700 or so folks we killed dozens every month. So be very careful if you ever have need to fool with the one in your yard. Never put your hand into one without inspecting the inside.
Correct and also as you said totally harmless.
There are some bad types of bacteria out there, most commonly some types of Staphylococcus Aureus, that can enter the body at the site of almost any type of bug bite and cause a nasty necrotic wound. These type infections are far, far, more commonly the reason for such a wound than a brown recluse bite. But the victims of such infections are almost always convinced they were bitten by a brown recluse despite not seeing what bit them at all.
Correct and also as you said totally harmless.
There are some bad types of bacteria out there, most commonly some types of Staphylococcus Aureus, that can enter the body at the site of almost any type of bug bite and cause a nasty necrotic wound. These type infections are far, far, more commonly the reason for such a wound than a brown recluse bite. But the victims of such infections are almost always convinced they were bitten by a brown recluse despite not seeing what bit them at all.
Here goes my spider encounter story...
I have had 3 close calls that I can remember with the brown recluse and black widow...
BR: First is like someone said on the front page, went to grab a towel and one dropped out of the fold just before i put it to my wet head...
BR: second was in our old apartment... I half woke up cause something tickled my face, so I brushed at it, then I felt it scurry across my chest, so I flipped and swatted at it... in the floor was the mashed up body of a brown recluse... :O
Black widow... I was pulling a roll of flowerbed matting off the garage shelf and felt something strong, stringy and sticky... as I pulled my hand back, the BW came out with the web stuck to my hand! I ended up killing that one on the garage floor.
As for the other spiders around West TN, we have the wolf spiders everywhere and I have a couple of garden spiders (the yellow and black ones) around my house now. I will leave those alone until they get to where my family would be (inside or on the patio) because they are all overly afraid and I'd rather spare them the trauma...
I have had 3 close calls that I can remember with the brown recluse and black widow...
BR: First is like someone said on the front page, went to grab a towel and one dropped out of the fold just before i put it to my wet head...
BR: second was in our old apartment... I half woke up cause something tickled my face, so I brushed at it, then I felt it scurry across my chest, so I flipped and swatted at it... in the floor was the mashed up body of a brown recluse... :O
Black widow... I was pulling a roll of flowerbed matting off the garage shelf and felt something strong, stringy and sticky... as I pulled my hand back, the BW came out with the web stuck to my hand! I ended up killing that one on the garage floor.
As for the other spiders around West TN, we have the wolf spiders everywhere and I have a couple of garden spiders (the yellow and black ones) around my house now. I will leave those alone until they get to where my family would be (inside or on the patio) because they are all overly afraid and I'd rather spare them the trauma...
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I have the occasional black widow spider in my pumphouse or garage. I've found that a brief squirt of starting fluid or brake cleaner solves the problem. WD40 works, but more slowly.
JimKirk
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Plenty of Black Widows in mail boxes... ask me how I know ... Mail man for 35 years!
lloveless
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Whenever my wife calls "Oh great white hunter" I know to bring the daisy red ryder to dispatch a large spider in the house. Generally a very large wolf spider.
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303Jeff
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Let me say this, I HATE SPIDERS! Almost as much as I hate snakes. BUT, I always leave Argiopes (we call them signature spiders because of the cool web), Trapdoor/Funnel Trap spiders or Tarantulas alone, I dunno why but they're cool with me. We have a lot of funnel traps and argiopes around right now. Biggest argiope on the property set a new record for us. Roughly 6 inches. Don't know how but she's absolutely massive. We feed the trap spiders like pets, because they help us out.
I usually kill hunting spiders though. The most common kind around here are green with black accents on the body. They are completely nomadic and even carry their eggs with them until they hatch. Apparently wasps will sting them in such a way that they can't move, then lay their eggs in them so the baby wasps can eat the spider alive as they grow up. I've seen wasps dragging brain dead spiders around the yard many times, and can't help but laugh. The only thing funnier would be seeing a mongoose kill a **** SNAKE!
I usually kill hunting spiders though. The most common kind around here are green with black accents on the body. They are completely nomadic and even carry their eggs with them until they hatch. Apparently wasps will sting them in such a way that they can't move, then lay their eggs in them so the baby wasps can eat the spider alive as they grow up. I've seen wasps dragging brain dead spiders around the yard many times, and can't help but laugh. The only thing funnier would be seeing a mongoose kill a **** SNAKE!
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