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What makes a sniper a sniper?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by grafsk8er, Jul 17, 2007.

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  1. grafsk8er

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    what qualifications/standards/achievements does it take to become a true sniper?
     
  2. Jorg Nysgerrig

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    I suppose you'd first have to define what you mean by "true sniper".
     
  3. The Deer Hunter

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    You need plenty of tacticool accessories :neener:
     
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    The media..........
     
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    Furthermore, you need wall- climbing boots.
     
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    LE or military? Suggest you go to Sniper's Hide with questions on Snipers or tactical shooting.

    Don
     
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    There are some excellent books on the topic. The US has a shorter history of formal snipper than other countries. In fact, our sustained program is quite young. By that I mean, for many years, and through many wars and times of peace, the military tended to activate and then deactivate the snippers. The history channel had a good program on the topic recently.
     
  8. The Deer Hunter

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    The program as we know it is young, but the whole idea is not new to the country.
     
  9. Bitswap

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    Well, are you hunting people or quadrapeds?

    If you have your scope sighted in at 200 yards and can accurately adjust it to hit something at 400, or 300, or 500 yards taking wind into account, your good enough IMO.

    Now if your military, it's a whole 'nother ball game. They're trying to kill you too, are usually smarter than bambi and are looking for you with binocs.
     
  10. Bezoar

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    look at the best snipers we have record of. Most of them have these qualities:

    very accurate with a properly sighted in weapon
    have no qualm about putting a bullet through someones head
    can conceal themselves very well
    no emotion
     
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    A little snippet I saw on tv last night. In Veit Nam, for the infintry, it took 500 rounds to kill one enemy. For snipers it was 1.3 rounds.
     
  13. KC&97TA

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    Smarty Answer: Being able to shoot a Snipe... A small British Bird, were "Sniper" Came from.

    LEO: 0-100M, placeing a single shot in less than 1/2 MOA

    Military: 1000M qual, dealing with mother natures worst, stalking ones prey unseen, also takeing into account Counter Sniper.

    USMC annual qualification with Rack Grade M16's goes; 200, 300 & 500 yards, with windage and elevation adjustments on open sights. Are all Marines Snipers?

    There's a few websites snipercountry.com or snipersparadise.com
     
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    Observational skills. Watching who's doing what, why they're doing it, and when they're doing it.
     
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    Being so dedicated to your country that you would take up such a miserable job.
     
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    Definately a silencer, a rifle in a caliber more than or equal to .308, but preferably .50 bmg, a hubble telescope on a 1913 80 MOA drop rail, and some black clothes and a tourettes like habit of shouting BOOM HEADSHOT! :eek:

    Some will say that only the proper training (military suffering) will earn someone the title of "sniper". If this were true, then we would only be encountering "single shot ambushes by a hidden aggressor" in our more urban combat zones. However, a sniper isn't any ol' turd-burglar with a rifle. I think the best description would be an individual or small team firing single rounds from a concealed location while they may be exploiting something of a ballistic advantage.

    Run on sentences.... :fire:
     
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    From my freind Jacob, currently serving in this occupation:

    "a marine corps scout sniper is a marine highly skilled in fieldcraft and marksmanship who delivers long range precision fire at selected targets from concealed positions in support of combat operations."
     
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    The Army has a GREAT sniper school in Arkansas. It is a two week intensive school that trains and qualifies individuals to be snipers. The attrition rate is fairly high (70% pass rate or so) but they will learn not only how to shoot but how to aquire targets, movement, and concealment techniques inherent to small unit tactics.

    I am not saying its a Ranger School type program, and I personally was never a Sniper Platoon Leader, but my buddies that were said their Soldiers seem to enjoy it as their mission in Iraq was always something new.

    The Army does have teams that go to certain posts and train Soldiers of units that are preparing for a combat tour. This is very important when time/money is limited and there are many Soldiers in need of being trained.
     
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    What Doc said. teh History Chanel had s good show. IMHO If you are proficient with a mil dot and can hit a 12"x12" target @ 1,000 yards/meters you can call yourself a sniper.
     
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    Shooting accuracy and precision is literally 10% of what it takes to be a US Army Sniper. Yes it is true that the shooting is a requirement but it is a given requirement that you can shoot. If the Soldier cant shoot to begin with then the unit leadership shouldnt be sending them to the Sniper School to learn and train as they wont qualify.

    Those who have been involved with the US Army Sniper trade will tell you that 99% of the time snipers will be used for route security and recon missions. Once they fire that shot their position is given away. If they can stay stealthed (and move to new locations without being detected), the information that they can relay over the radio in terms of enemy situation/strength/activity is far more useful than their one-shot-one-kill abilities.
     
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    if you use it to hunt snipe, duh
     
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    In the military context, basically,a sniper is anyone using a rifle to make precision shots at a target (usually human or material) from medium to long distances from a concealed position without being detected.

    Or you could be hunting the Snipe species of bird. Which seems way lamer.
     
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    Not really. First of all, the black target on a white background is extremely easy to see. A real person, against a real background, unless they're wearing one of those orange prison jumpsuits, much more difficult target. Second, nobody is trying to find you and kill you when they find you when you're on the qual range.

    And have the Marines started shooting qual in full battle rattle yet?

    No, I haven't done the Marine qual, but I've shot the All-Army matches, which are very similar.

    For military snipers, infiltration, observation, reporting, and exfiltration, all without being spotted, are much more important than shooting ability. More guys fail out of sniper schools for failing stalks than for failing shooting.

    Besides, isn't it much better to get into position, find the Tangos, and kill them with a JDAM or Hellfire and leave them wondering what the hell happened?
     
  24. ProficientRifleman

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    The willingness to go out alone or with only your spotter, into bad guy country and do the work. Thats what makes a sniper.

    Its is like the difference between a school trained pilot who "knows how" to fly a 170...he has the certificate, and has been through all the classes, slolo'd and is fully qualified.....

    And a natural pilot who can get into any bird and fly by the seat of his pants, because he understands aerodynamics and what makes it fly. He can do magic with nearly any airplane he straps on.

    A true sniper will go out and take the fight to the enemy because he knows he can. Not because he is "school trained".
     
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    And not just to kill, enemy uses whatever they can to kill ya - AT rockets, artillery strikes (from mortars to heavy ones), maybe napalm your location, run you down with a tank.

    Otherwise the most important is mental state - will to do the job and will to learn the trade as much as possibly.
     
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