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What SD ammo for 9mm?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Okiegunner, Jan 7, 2013.

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  1. Okiegunner

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    What self defense ammo do you guys use in your 9mm?

    I have been using Hornady Critical Defense exclusively but (for no real reason) changed it up today.

    I have recently purchased a hundred rounds of Asym +P, FBI ammo and another hundred rounds of Pow'RBall. The Pow'RBall is rated @ 1475'fps and 483ft/lbs. I'm not sure about the Asym, but I believe it is pretty "hot" also.

    Would like to know what others run. Also what do you guys think about my SD choices, current and present?
     
  2. sleepyone

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    I'm looking a buying some of each of the following:

    Federal LE HST 124 +P Load # P9HST3
    Winchester Ranger T 127 +P+ Load # RA9TA
    Speer Gold Dot LE 124 +P Load # 53617

    I have each of these brands in 165 grain for my M&P .40 S&W but have not had a chance to try any of them out. I have based these choices purely on what I have read and seen in ballistics testing and from friends and relatives who are in LE, but I doubt if any of these are bad choices. It really comes down to firstly, availability and pricing, secondly, how the ammo feeds and thirdly, how accurate I am with each load. Personally, I'm not going to waste a bunch of ammo and time blowing up water bottles or shooting ballistic gelatin because there are plenty of people doing that already and letting me me watch it for free. I will invest substantial ammo and time ensuring the ammo feeds reliably and determining with which load I am most accurate.
     
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    As of recently, I prefer heavy-for-caliber JHPs and load and carry the Winchester 9mm 147 gr PDX1.

    It is hard to comment without knowing your circumstances. If you have chosen a high-quality JHP (looks like you have) and have maintained a decent level of proficiency with your pistol (I hope)- then I think that you are all set.
     
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    Lots of great choices for the 9mm as others have mentioned. Another recent development from Hornady is their Critical Duty 135gr +P ammunition, it's passed all FBI protocol tests.
     
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    I don't like Hornady Critical Defense, they tend to go light-and-not-that-fast for faster follow-up shots, which reduces penetration to unacceptable levels. Most premium ammunition will work, I personally prefer Speer Gold Dots and Winchester PDX1 in 147-grain.
     
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    The ASYM is a great choice. Stan Chen is making some of the best 'factory' ammo around. I use his bullseye loads in my 45 and I use his +p defensive loads in my 9mm. Very good quality control. The 9mm +p round is really quite mild due to the blend of powders they use.
     
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    I would look at the ammo that meets the FBI standards. Buy enough to run in your firearm of choice until you are comfortatble carrying it.

    After that it is all shot placement.
     
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    I have narrowed my choice down to these three and in this order specifically for my Kahr PM9 from shooting experience:
    Federal HST 147 gr.
    Federal HST 124 gr.
    Winchester Law Enforcement Bonded 147 gr.
    None are the + P loadings.
     
  9. Mr.357Sig

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    HST and Gold Dots. Either work for me.
     
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    Although I don't buy factory ammunition, I do load and carry Gold Dots as my primary SD choice though. Both the Gold Dots and XTP's have performed extremely well when I've tested them for expansion, penetration, and retention. On the other hand, Federal Hydra Shock failed terribly for me. But I'm sure there are plenty of other bullets out there that will work well for SD, the most important aspect of a bullet is shot placement.

    GS
     
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    Win Ranger 127gr +p+
     
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    What's the reasoning behind these ammo choices?

    Is it based on penetration & expansion in gel tests? It is based on energy? muzzle velocity? What?
     
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    Any quality brand ammo with hollow points, and that feeds through your gun.

    Bullets must land inside the 9-ring or better.

    Its not as complicated or exclusive as the internet would lead some to believe.
     
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    Any 125 gr HP @ 1200 fps or so.
     
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    For me, it's based mainly on penetration. I want 12+ inches, preferably in the 14-15" range. I'd rather carry FMJ than something that penetrates less than 12, or especially less than 10 inches.

    Muzzle velocity I'd find more important if I were worried about target shooting (combined with ballistic coefficient) and energy if I were worried about armor (where sectional density and meplat come into consideration more). I care more about what happens at the target, which is why I rely on gel tests.
     
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    The Asym is 124 gr. and the Pow'RBall is 100 gr.
     
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    Tuj...

    Hmmm...I think so. The Asym boxes are at my house. I'm on the road right now. Give me a couple of days to get back home and I'll check. I could be wrong and mistaking the grain for some Fiochi HP I also bought, I know those are 124gr.

    Anyhow, thats one reason I did not state the fps and the lbs. energy on the Asym. I didn't have one of the boxes with me to correctly state.
     
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    Countzero,my reasoning on choice is how my chosen ammo shot out of my PM9,which includes recoil effect,and accuracy.
    Point in case...I myself,did not like the torque affect of the Gold Dot 124+P's but I did like the more subtle throb of the 147's I mentioned by Federal and Winchester.
    My accuracy was just better on follow up shots out of my small PM9 at my handgun experience level which is nowhere what some of these guys here at this site are at.
    I also liked the HST 124's as well.
    I have watched several ballistic gel tests out of 3 inch barrel 9mm's from these and other ammo makers to feel comfortable with what I have chosen.
    On top of all that I carry my LCP more than anything else...So...
     
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    I get a kick out of it when people don't have a performance criteria for ammo but they have a particular load that they like and recommend.

    That's like recommending a blue car because you like the color blue.

    But anyway, I like Winchester 147gr Ranger "T" Series 147gr - RA9T

    http://www.winchester.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/flash-SWFs/law_bullit.swf

    It consistently penetrates 14" and consistently expands to around .65" through the barrier tests and the 4-denim engineering protocol.

    I want a bullet to be able to penetrate 12+ inches I personally don't want more than 15" of penetration, to me - that's higher on the bell curve of exiting the "average" assailant's body than I care to be. Between 2 rounds that penetrate roughly the same, the larger expanding round is preferable.

    I want the 14" of penetration through the barrier tests because I beleive the way to stop an assailant is to disrupt vital tissue and 14" of penetration may be necesary to do that, depending on the assailant's build, the angle of the shot / may be a cross shot through a jacket sleeve, shirt sleeve, bicep, shirt sleeve, jacket, jacket again, shirt and then the assailant's body...

    The RA9T is right on there at 14" and it has nice expansion through different barriers.



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    Winchester PDX 124+P...or any expanding type ammo that flattens reliably in tissue. This is a broad choice.
     
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    What I am about to say is just what I have been told and read, so take it for what its worth. I have ordered a bunch of .40 S&W and 9mm PD ammo recently and have been doing a bunch of research. Maybe too much! For 9mm, I want a load that gets as close to 1,200 fps in velocity and 400 ft-lbs of energy as possible in a 124 gr.bullet. Seems the +P loads are required for that. Anything faster than 1,200 and you increase the chance of bullet separation which increases with the lighter bullets in 115 gr. I just ordered 300 rounds of the Federal LE HST 124 +P Load # P9HST3. It has a velocity of 1,200 fps and energy is 396 ft-lbs. I decided against the Winchester Ranger T 127 +P+ Load # RA9TA just because I personally don't want to fire +P+ loads through my guns although it packs a punch at 1,250 fps and 441 ft-lbs! I also decided against the Speer Gold Dot LE 124 +P Load # 53617 even though it has impressive numbers as well at 1,220 and 410, but I decided against buying it in large quantities simply due to price. Everywhere I have looked, it is over $1.00/rd whereas the Federal HSTs I just bought were $32.95 per box of 50, which comes to about 66 cents/round before shipping charges.

    Now I'm debating on whether or not to buy a large number of the Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel 124 gr. +P loads for my XD9 SC 3" barrel or shoot the Federals which I just bought primarily for my XD9 with 4" barrel. The Speer Short Barrel loads are supposed to perform at 1,150 fps and 364 ft-lbs, which is quite a bit less than the Federal HSTs from a 4" barrel. I wonder if I would still come out ahead performance wise just shooting the Federal HSTs from my XD 3" barrel. Anyone have any firsthand experience or can point me to some research?
     
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    Why?
     
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    That is just what I have gathered from various sources as the sweet spot for optimal expansion while still achieving excellent penetration. I probably don't use all the correct verbage but the energy transfer from the bullet to the body is what creates the wound channel and causes the tissue damage beyond what the bullet itself causes. So I want to go with the fastest bullet possible while still achieving sufficient penetration. Those numbers I have been told by various sources tend to be 1,200 fps of velocity for either .40 S&W and 9mm and 500 ft-lbs of energy for 40 S&W and 400 ft-lbs for 9mm. Loads with these numbers still achieve a minimum of 12" penetration, which is also what I look for. Interested in some other information if you have it.
     
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    Granted, this is rather old data, but I base my choices on data such as this simply because this is all there is short of mass experimental executions. There are updated studies; I just happen to have these as a bookmarks.

    http://www.firearmstactical.com/ammo_data/ammodata.htm
    http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm

    Given the deaths in the wars we fought, and the fact that the American Bison herds were decimated by solid, poorly expanding bullets, I'm not all that worried about exactly what I hit my enemy/attacker with ... but rather where and how many times.

    Shot placement is king and there are plenty of dead people who, given the chance, would tell you that concerning even lowly .22 rimfire cartridges. And there are conversely people still living who have sustained horrendous wounds from pretty much every caliber "death ray" bullet you can name.
     
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