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What Self Defense Rifle?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by LouisianaGunner12, Jul 29, 2012.

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  1. LouisianaGunner12

    LouisianaGunner12 Member

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    I know most say use a shotgun for home defense, but I don't care for them.

    I want a rifle/carbine that I can use as my "go to" self defense rifle. It'll be for home defense and truck gun, may use it to take deer or such if the occasion calls for it. It should also be suitable for any catastrophes that some call "SHTF." But mainly it's a home defense, truck defense, hiking defense rifle. Preferably semi auto, though I'd consider lever action if it's plainly the best choice.

    What would be something good for this? I want it to be in a caliber that's really known and proven to stop a determined aggressor who may be on some substance. (We have a lot of that here.)
     
  2. Natsmith77

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    Hard to beat a beater old SKS.

    The round is abundant, cheap, and a proven man/animal killer.

    Size wise it is small enough to maneuver with, but large enough to maintain a longer barrel for accuracy.

    It is cheap enough to "abuse", as far as leaving it in a trunk, banging it around in the woods, or whatever. Yet rugged enough to stand up to abuse and keep running with very little maintenance.

    No magazines to maintain/keep track of. If having a 30 round magazine is a requirement, they can be modified to accept them, but there are tactical and practical reasons that being able to slap rounds in the top using a stripper or not. It is also less to get snagged on or jacked up in the woods.

    Not the most glamorous or "tacticool" choice...but for the cost/practical matter they are pretty hard to beat.
     
  3. C-grunt

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    Im a huge fan of the AR15. Preferably one from the likes of Colt, LMT, Daniel Defense, BCM, KAC and Centurion.
     
  4. Fred_G

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    AR in the 6.8SPC is a good rifle option. What part of Louisiana are you in? I am in the north.
     
  5. LouisianaGunner12

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    I'm a few miles south of Alexandria
     
  6. Fred_G

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    Well, that is a bit of a drive. Any reason you don't like the shotgun for HD?
     
  7. briansmithwins

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    Either a AR or AK will work very well. Load with the JHP of your choice.

    BSW
     
  8. DeMilled

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    I'm an FAL fan but I think SKS would be a decent choice for someone on a budget.


    What is your working budget, if you don't mind sharing?
    It really can make a huge difference.
     
  9. LeonCarr

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    Of the above mentioned, the SKS is a good one. Combat proven, will stop a dope fiend trying to kill you if necessary, cheap to purchase and cheap to shoot.

    Just my .02,
    LeonCarr
     
  10. Fred_G

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    Well, maybe we can meet and do some shooting.
     
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    For me it's and AR-15 that works and has worked for the 8 years I've owned it (DPMS). If I was on a low budget I would consider the Hi-Point 45ACP Carbine too. But if you want a good all around rifle that is good for deer hunting maybe a 30-30 lever gun would be a good fit. No matter witch one you pick learn it and use it well.
     
  12. crazy-mp

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    When I started reading this the first thing that came to my mind was a good old lever action 30-30, cheap(er) very reliable and good for 2 and 4 legged critters.

    Then I continued reading and seen the semi-auto, what about a 300 Blackout? 220 grain .30 cal bullet moving around 1000-1050 fps or the hotter 125 gainers are proven deer killers as long as your not shooting at 500 yards. Like every gun and caliber there is going to be some trade off, caliber vs. capacity vs. weight vs. cost.

    The SKS would be a great choice if your on a budget though, proven effective design
     
  13. PabloJ

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    For all around use I would pick Beretta M59 'Tanker' chambered for 7,62x51 Nato cartridge.
     
  14. TonyAngel

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    Have you considered a handgun? Rifles can fill the role, because something is usually better than nothing; but using a rifle in a home defense role can have its short comings.
     
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    On a budget a .30-30 lever, SKS, or .30-06 pump rifle (Remington 7600, etc) should drop an attacker if you do your job. for more money several calibers and rifles will do what you want, just pick your platform (AR, AK, etc).
     
  16. briansmithwins

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    Such as?

    Ammo capacity? Nope, most modern auto-loaders have 20-30 round mags.
    Power? Nope, pretty much any center fire rifle has 4-5X the foot pounds of energy as most handguns.
    Ease of getting hits? Nope, rifles are much easier to get hits with.
    Handiness? Maybe. Rifles are bulkier than handguns. OTOH, a decently durable rifle give you the option of striking with the muzzle or butt, if needed.

    BSW
     
  17. Roadking Rider

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    SKS,30/30,or Mini 14.
     
  18. ScottieG59

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    I have not consider using a rifle for home defense in many years. If I were to choose a rifle for what it can do, I would choose the one I feel I know the best: something based on the M16, or, more currently, the M4. I hated the M16A1 when I first was issued one. Thirty+ years later, it have become very familiar.

    If I decided against the AR15 variant, I would look at the Ruger Mini 14 or Mini 30. It is also a familiar design.

    I am not sure what scenario would have me going for my rifle. The most likely thing would be if coyotes were getting too close to the kids and/or family pets. So far, the coyotes do not hang around long when I am around.

    I also have an M1 Carbine, though along with many others, I do not see it as a rifle. With the right ammo, it can be very capable against most threats I would see.

    If I could only choose one, right now, I am very tempted to go with the Ruger Mini 30. Being broke makes this exercise somewhat safe.
     
  19. Rexster

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    I used to have several options in this category, from .223 AR15 to Marlin 1894 lever rifles in .357 Magnum and a Winchester 1894 Trapper in .30-30. I have narrowed it all down to a couple of Mini-14 Ranch Rifles.
     
  20. coalman

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    Civilized = AR. Lighter, higher maintenance and better accuracy past 200m.
    Uncivilized = AK. Heavier, lower maintenance and good accuracy under 200m.

    IMO, a shotgun remains a better all-around choice. Slugs, 00 and buckshot (and all in between) offer lots of options.
     
  21. FIVETWOSEVEN

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    Here is my choice, an Interarms Tantal. AK74 based rifle firing 5.45x39. I use Hornady V-Max for my HD loading in a 20 round magazine.

    Yes I know the optic isn't the best but it works.
    [​IMG]

    Uncivilized and accuracy under 200? :rolleyes:

    47 based rifles are effective up to 400 yards and 74 based rifles are effective up to 600 yards.
    Before my AK, my only long gun besides my bolt action was a shotgun. I sold it and got my AK. Wasn't happy with the limited range of the shotgun.
     
  22. TonyAngel

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    OK, are you talking about defending your home from invasion or fending off the zombie hords? Caliber or capacity has little to do with what you can effectively employ to defend your home should it become the target of those with ill intent.

    A typical home is characterized by tight spaces and a lot of clutter in the form of hallways, doorways and furniture. There are loads of places to hide and obstacles that you have to contend with. Defending your home isn't going to be like shooting at the range or in the woods. And all of this is compounded by the fact that intruders rarely announce themselves and will likely be more alert than you are if this sort of thing happens.

    Try doing a 180 in a hallway while holding a rifle at the ready, or sweeping a room and checking behind curtains or couches without leaving your back exposed to some other place where a bad guy can be hiding. You've gotta remember, you are likely to be doing this alone, without backup, so you have to do it in a manner that leaves you the least vulnerable.

    The biggest problems with any sort of long gun is that they take two hands to handle and are largely dependent upon the position of your body when it comes to taking aim. There is also a greater probability that the invader will have the opportunity to get their hands on it and possibly take it away from you.

    At least with a handgun, you will have one hand free to defend yourself against attacks and hopefully buy you some time to use your firearm. Handguns are also not as dependent upon body position and posture when employing them. There is also less of a likelihood that the bad guy would be able to get their hands on it.

    Handguns also lend themselves to being hidden in key places around the home, rather than a rifle that is sitting in a closet someplace. Think about it, if you walk into a room holding a long gun and come across three guys, it is highly likely that you may get one or even two of them, but the odds of getting all three, without winding up in a hand to hand situation, are against you.

    As far as firepower goes, I certainly wouldn't question the stopping power of a high capacity .40 or .357 Sig, nor even a good 8 round .45acp.

    Of course, not everyone's situation is the same. I'm just pointing out that there are considerations other than caliber and capacity.
     
  23. LouisianaGunner12

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    Thanks for the responses everybody. It helps a lot.

    Yeah it is haha! To be honest, I don't know why I don't like the shotgun. It just doesn't "feel" right and I'm not very confident with it. I'd prefer a fast firing semi auto carbine.
     
  24. LouisianaGunner12

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    I mostly just want to defend against a home invasion. Your point about a long gun being too long in hallways and such is a concern of mine, that's why I kind of wanted a short, handy carbine, perhaps with a folding stock.

    However, I don't want it to be in a caliber with any less power than a .45 ACP. (By the way, this is not my first gun, I own several revolvers, a couple of pistols, and a .308 bolt action.)
     
  25. LouisianaGunner12

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    To give you all my thoughts so far, my main considerations are an Arsenal SGL21 AK47 7.62x39 or a Russian SKS. I've saved up about two thousand dollars to spend and I'm willing to spend it all on a rifle, but that doesn't mean I have to, I could spend the rest on ammo if I went with an SKS or AK. I don't really care much for 5.56. My brother, when in Iraq, told me on several occasions about having to shoot insurgents four or five times before they'd finally drop, especially because they were sometimes extremely under the influence of opiates. I'm sure a good expanding 5.56 JHP would do much better, but overall I just don't want that caliber.

    How does a good expanding 7.62x39mm HP compare with a good expanding .45 ACP JHP as far as terminal ballistics or "stopping power"?

    If it's better, please present evidence or test results. If it's not, then 7.62x39 is off the list and I'll go back to the drawing board on a caliber to choose. It's very important to me to be able to stop the threat with as few rounds as possible; I may not have time to get off more than a shot or two if he's charging me or something.
     
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