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What sidearm does the U.S. Military carry

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by ArkansasFatboy, Aug 23, 2006.

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  1. ArkansasFatboy

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    Just curious as to what the standard side arm of the U.S. military is these days. Is it still the .45 or is it a different caliber
     
  2. ugaarguy

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    US Forces adopted the Beretta 92, designated M9, in 9mm NATO (9x19) in 1983. It is still standard issue, but you will also find SIGs in 9mm, HKs in 45 ACP, and 1911s in 45 ACP in use with various units. Under the new Dept. of Homeland Security contract the USCG is now issued the SIG P226 and P229 in 40 S&W. I think those are the correct model numbers on the SIGs, but its definetly SIG pistols in 40 S&W that DHS just bought. So there ya go.
     
  3. RustyShackelford

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    US military sidearms...

    The US Armed Forces carry different pistols;

    The standard issue is the Beretta M-9/9mm, a 92-F model pistol.
    Military aircrews, pilots, criminal investigations/MI may use the SIGarms M-11/P-228 9mm pistol. Some spec ops units still use the 1911a1 .45acp. The USSOCCOM(US Special Operations Command) also issues the HK model 23 .45acp pistol. USSOCCOM also started using a smaller HK .45acp pistol for limited use. US Navy SEALs use the SIGarms P-226 9mm and other handguns for some SEAL teams/missions.

    RS
     
  4. Pevey

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    Homeland Security is switching over to the HK P2000. Customs still has quite a few Glocks out there but they will all be gone soon. Border Patrol is in process of switching to the HK. Didn't know Coast Guard was using a different gun, at least we're all going to the 40.

    Of course, I understand that (fill in your caliber) is much better and your (name your make of gun) is a much better choise. I don't pick em I just carry em.
     
  5. ugaarguy

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    Both companies won the contract, and the agency can choose from either manufacturer want they want to purchase. The contract was less about particular guns and more about telling the agencies "you're authorized to buy from either one." Sig got a head start because HK was real slow on delivering weapons.
     
  7. Alan Fud

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    Are they allowed to use hollowpoints?
     
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    HP's are against the Geneva Convention which is why the military doesn't use them.

    I guess it's up the the agency as to what they put in them.
     
  9. buzz_knox

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    Hollowpoints are allowed whenever a unit is not engaging uniformed combatants. The military has authorized hollowpoints when units have engaged terrorists (usually in actions conducted by special operations personnel).

    Law enforcement agencies are under no such restrictions unless imposed by internal regulation.
     
  10. Alan Fud

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    So it's not okay to use HP against our nation's enemies but it is okay to do so against our own citizens? That makes sense. :rolleyes:
     
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    Nope. The GC concerned the treatment of prisoners. The Hague Accords dealt with instruments of war which caused undue pain, suffering, and hardship, including things like machine guns, submarines, land mines, etc. The US did not sign the HA.
    Buzz is correct.
     
  12. ugaarguy

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    A while back someone posted a few of the USCG public documents here in regards to the new pistols. IIRC they're keeping two stocks of ammo; ball ammo for their military mission and JHPs for their law enforcement mission under DHS.
     
  13. Alan Fud

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    So if they are in the middle of a LE assignment under DHS and encounter a military situation, they have to change ammo? :rolleyes: Why am I not surprised?
     
  14. MountainBear

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    Heard an interesting rumor that Ruger had recently got a contract to deliver a small amount of pistols to the US Army, possibly Armored divisions?
     
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    m9 which is a berretta 92
    m11 which is a sig (cid, MI, and a few others)
    both in 9mm

    That is the regular army, i don't know about all those hi-speed guys!

    this is a belief that many people have but it is not true, like it was explained earlier.
     
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    Tell your gunstore owner to correlate his facts beyond bubba the special naval operator rescue h.a.l.o seal vet.
     
  17. Frog48

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    There is no need for you to respond to someone's question like a jacka$$. You might want to check your facts before you flame someone...

    U.S. Army Awards Sturm, Ruger & Co., Inc. Contract for 5,000 Pistols
    December 23, 2004
    Sturm, Ruger & Company, Inc. (NYSE: RGR), the nation’s largest firearms manufacturer, is proud to announce that it has been awarded a contract for 5,000 9mm pistols by the U.S. Army Tank-automotive and Armaments Command, Rock Island Arsenal, IL. The pistols to be supplied are Ruger KP95D models. The pistols incorporate a stainless steel slide and a custom polymer composite frame.

    “We are honored to be part of the nation’s defense by furnishing the Army with Ruger P95 pistols,” said Sturm, Ruger President Stephen L. Sanetti. “As there are no longer any U.S. Government small arms factories, our country must rely on the private firearms manufacturing sector to provide arms for the common defense. Sturm, Ruger’s P95 pistols have developed a legendary reputation for strength, reliability, and value during the last ten years, and we are proud to have won the U.S. Army’s competitive bid with these fine firearms.”

    “Our late founder, Bill Ruger, who began his firearms industry career 65 years ago designing small arms for the U.S. Government, would have been pleased,” Sanetti concluded.

    The Ruger pistols to be supplied under this contract will be manufactured in the company’s Prescott, Arizona manufacturing facility.


    http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/N-Firearms_News.html
     
  18. Edmond

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    I didn't think Infantry were allowed to carry sidearms?

    Are Officers allowed to carry sidearms?

    If my memory serves me well, which is doesn't most of the time, I think the Hague Accords said something along the lines of not using HP's against recognized nations armies. I think the key thing was recognized. A terror organization, though they might have an army, is not recognized as a nation and therefore, the HA's do not apply. Am I correct?
     
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    I believe rugers contract was for pistols to equip either afghani or iraqi PD's with.

    There are a huge amount of contracts being issued these days for handguns and long guns with which to equip either of the above or to help with equipping other nations we consider client states. I know that DPMS just got another contract to provide M-4 and A2's to someone through the state dept, not a huge contract but something like 3 or 4 thousand rifles.

    Ruger, S&W, Walther, SIG, Glock, HK and Kimber have all gotten contracts either big or small lately as the nation building phases have kicked in.

    What this means for most of us, is that there is also a lot of used trade in handguns going to be showing up on the retail shelves pretty soon.
     
  20. Frog48

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    Yes, officers carry sidearms, including the infantry.

    In fact, a high school buddy of mine is an Army 2LT, and is a platoon leader in the 25th Infantry Division. West Point grad, Infantry Officer, Ranger qual'ed, Airborne qual'ed. He's deploying to Iraq by the end of August.
     
  21. RustyShackelford

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    Iraqi border patrol/Glock 17 9mm pistols

    I saw news reports that several Iraqi LE/military units got Glock 9mm contracts(17/19/etc).

    RS

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    I saw many iraqi police during my tour that crried glock 19's.
     
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    I have not seen any mention of any branch of service refurbishing any of the pistols that are being removed from service. What is happening to the pistols being taken out of service? It would be a lot more fiscally responsibile to refurbish then reissue them!
     
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    Like other posters noted, the Ruger purchase was for the use of Iraqi security forces we're training/advising/etc.

    A lot of them are getting Glocks. I know down in Basra the British issued a bunch of G-17s to the Iraqi cops they were training/advising/etc.

    There's no rule saying that infantrymen are not allowed to carry an issue sidearm. Basis of issue, historically, was quite low for infantry guys, though. That's been changing over the last few years, and lots more handguns are on the hips of conventional guys, infantrymen included.

    Infantry, and everyone else (including special operations personnel), are restricted from carrying privately owned sidearms. People sometimes get away with that, but the consequences of getting caught can be severe, if the powers that be want to push the issue.
     
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