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What to do when attacked for pro-2nd Amendment views

Discussion in 'Activism Discussion and Planning' started by TooTaxed, Dec 29, 2013.

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  1. TooTaxed

    TooTaxed Member

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    It is irritating when anti-gun people who have not bothered to verify bad statistics fed to them by anti-gun sources attack me for my pro-2nd Amendment stance! So, assuming the NRA needs to publicise the truth more, when I return home I make a donation to the NRA of $25 to $100, depending on the insolence of the encounter.

    Now, here's the trick! I make the donation in the name of the anti-gun person with their address, explaining to the NRA and requesting they send a letter thanking them for the donation!
     
  2. phil dirt

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    "What to do when attacked for pro-2nd Amendment views. Now, here's the trick! I make the donation in the name of the anti-gun person with their address, explaining to the NRA and requesting they send a letter thanking them for the donation! Hint: Check Barack Obama, Hilary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy, Chuck Schumer, Dianne Feinstein, John Kerry"
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    Wow! What a great idea to contribute to our cause in the name of these elected criminals.
     
  3. TooTaxed

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    Actually, I was referring to the locals who attacked me...you should see the horror and amazement they display! I don't know how the Pelosi, Kerry et all got into the post...that was originally a note on the bottom of my normal transmittal and wasn't on the body of the post when I reviewed it before posting.
     
  4. oneounceload

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    You might want to get yourself prepared so you can successfully state your case and make your side of the argument....(notice I did NOT say "defend yourself")
     
  5. Mauser lover

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    When I saw the title I instantly thought... DUH! Draw, present, fire.... But it seems I had the wrong impression of "attacked".

    You most likely do not want to do that if we are talking about ridicule, arguments... etc. Probably having correct statistics, polls, numbers of everything you can think of... again, etc... would be the best course of action.

    I think that donating in these people's names is a great idea! However, is your name also on the note that they get from the NRA? It sounds almost as if you could accidently provoke an "attack".
     
  6. ridurall

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    I purchased a NRA membership for one of my anti-gun liberal cousins several years ago. It back fired when he purchased a membership for me to the ACLU. It took years and a change of email addresses to get off all the kill the babies, save the whales, bunny huggers and send money to help the gay's groups that had connections with the ACLU. I have never understood how people that are "bunny huggers" can be pro abortion but it seems like they all are. Needless to say I never purchased another NRA or other pro gun membership to a liberal again.
     
  7. tuj

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    Despite the ACLU's views on the 2A as a collective right and their disapproval of DC v. Heller, the ACLU has fought some of the most important cases in our legal system and continues to protect our rights of free speech in the digital age, one of the few organizations that still cares about this (besides EFF).

    Best thing to do when you talk to an anti? Just ignore them and walk away. No need to be snarky and buy them an NRA membership in their name, although that is an interesting tactic.

    I know I am in the very small and very UN-vocal minority, but I am pro-2A and anti-NRA-ILA. USA Shooting can have my money to sponsor actual shooters and promote the sport, something the NRA used to actively do until the infamous 'Cincinnati' convention.

    Seriously, last time the NRA-ILA called me, I started talking to the guy about his shooting. He didn't really shoot at all, he owned a Glock and shot it once a year. I support his right fully, but at the same time he didn't get my money.

    But I digress. I talk to lots of people I disagree with on political issues. I have to work with many who are quite vocal. I find it is best to just ignore them or at worst, use the Socratic method and pretend like you don't understand the issue, asking questions from a pointed view.
     
  8. Master Blaster

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    I learned long ago to push the ignore button. I then teach as many folks to shoot as I can. In the past year I have turned 5 dedicated liberals and their children into new shooters. Trap shooting with a nice shotgun seems to have wide appeal. After all the President and the VP both like shotguns and even shoot trap. This is much more effective than arguing with those who know All.
     
  9. tuj

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    Absolutely right! I have showed people who would have NEVER thought they would have liked shooting the sport and they have embraced it or at least had a blast.
     
  10. Deltaboy

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    Well I just downloaded some facts from the FBI, GAO,and the NRA then I print them off and keep them handly.
     
  11. BudgetBucks1

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    I usually keep my response short with the quote "When seconds count the police are only minutes away." Being in law enforcement myself that statement usually shuts them up pretty quickly.
     
  12. phil dirt

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    tuj said,"I know I am in the very small and very UN-vocal minority, but I am pro-2A and anti-NRA-ILA. USA Shooting can have my money to sponsor actual shooters and promote the sport, something the NRA used to actively do until the infamous 'Cincinnati' convention.

    Seriously, last time the NRA-ILA called me, I started talking to the guy about his shooting. He didn't really shoot at all, he owned a Glock and shot it once a year. I support his right fully, but at the same time he didn't get my money."

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    I am thankful that you represent, as you put it, a "very small and UN- vocal minority." If not for NRA-ILA, there would be far more restrictions on my Second Amendment rights. In fact, my guess is that neither you or I would be allowed to own a gun! You claim to support the Second Amendment. Have you ever given a dime to the Second Amendment Foundation?
     
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    I've only engaged in one conversation with a truly rabid anti. It was in college, and it came about because he made a disparaging comment about the local police having been issued M-4 clones to be kept in their police cars. I responded with "Well... I think you'd sing a different tune if someone wandered in here and opened fire with a Kalashnikov."
    He shut up (and several other people in the classroom looked at me and nodded).

    With people who are anti out of lack of experience with guns or from incorrect facts, I just take them out with a 10/22 and a couple hundred rounds. Seems to work.
     
  14. Queen_of_Thunder

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    So how much shooting does someone have to do before you are willing to step up and get involved in protecting or 2nd Amendment Rights.
     
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    Arguing with a fool is pointless. Rarely will you change someone's opinion because they are so intent on changing yours.

    I often come across people that are extremely opposite of my position concerning many topics, including the 2nd amendment. When this happens, I usually say my thoughts and just walk away. Usually the other person turns angry, gets emotional, and all that. Let them. Just shows them for the fool they are.

    Spend your effort educating the younger generation and those that are fence sitters.
     
  16. KUSA

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    Just tell them it's your god given right and if they want to infringe on that right they need to bring something for lead poisoning with them.
    Make sure you take a picture of their expression.
     
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    The answer, I believe, all depends on who you're talking to. I know some people I simply won't even entertain the conversation with, as they believe with every ounce of their being that they are right, and I am misguided... for those folks, the only thing I could imagine possibly changing their mind would be the unfortunate circumstance of them finding that they are in need of a gun and don't have one (by then it may be too late).

    For the fence sitters, or those who come across and mildly or naively anti-gun, I simply state my case and arguments politely, and leave it at that.
     
  18. ChaoSS

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    Threatening someone's life because they disagree with you is a good way to turn more people against us.
     
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    This. I can generally tell whether someone is open or closed minded and choose my battles accordingly.
     
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    tuj had it right,... "I talk to lots of people I disagree with on political issues. I have to work with many who are quite vocal. I find it is best to just ignore them or at worst, use the Socratic method and pretend like you don't understand the issue, asking questions from a pointed view."

    This is a great tactic to make them more relaxed and able to explain their position beyond the simplistic talking point that they've bought into.
     
  21. KUSA

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    You took it too seriously. You aren't going to change the mind of the die hard lib so just piss them off.
     
  22. goon

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    Maybe you won't change their minds, but that still doesn't mean you have to be exactly what they stereotype us as. You'd be better off to be polite or say nothing than to do that.
     
  23. Davek1977

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    Which does what to further the idea of gun rights? What purpose does just "pissing them off" serve? Who does it benefit? If you can't be an ambassador for the shooting sports, shutting one's mouth may be a better option. Becoming the epitome of their stereotype hurts our agenda far more than it helps us.
     
  24. ChaoSS

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    Maybe you should start taking things more seriously.

    These sorts of discussions rarely are without spectators, or at least those who find out about it after the fact, and many of those people may be those who could be influenced, if not for your petulant behavior.
     
  25. HexHead

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    They're already against us. You lose nothing.
     
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