What type of ammunition do you carry?

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I personally carry a good expanding high velocity H.P for my S.D. round. And since I hand load I make it a maximum high velocity round. But I also realize the risk of a through and through penetration finding an innocent bystander before stopping.
This topic is no doubt a very controversial one and for obvious reasons, and with good arguement. For me, I don't want to find myself needing the penetration or the necessary stopping power against a 300 lb. intruder that could possibly shake off a low velocity round and may have to penetrate layer's of heavy clothing as well. And in todays world of drug crazed perpetrators being on the prowl, I prefer to not find myself being chased down by some crack head fueled perp that wasn't stopped by the limited performance of a reduced velocity round. This is no doubt a catch 2+2 as both sides of the issue are with good merit.
Some what unrelated, but still pertinent regarding stopping power is an incident I was exposed to first hand. In Flaggstaff, Az. in 1990 a bad guy came into the convenience store I was employed part time at. My neighbor who was as well employed there, was working my shift instead of me because I was hunting antelope. So in the early evening hours her husband was with her doing some maintenance and he was a very large framed man. A perp came in and shot him in the back of the head with a .357 mag. revolver, and because the ammunition this BG was using was a low velocity grade, the round simply bounced off leaving only a bleeding scalp wound. Thank God the BG didn't know what he put in his gun. But during his crime spree that began in California and ended in Northern Arizona, he did shoot and kill several other innocent store clerks.
This is just one example of why I think I need the good stuff in my side arm, in my opinion. What if the circumstances were reversed and the BG was unable to be stopped?
 
Since this is a hardware question and not really related to ST&T, I'm moving it to a more appropriate forum...

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I carry ammo that has performed well, over time, against a variety of human beings. In the SIGs I use for police duty and some concealed carry, .40 180-grain Gold Dots. In my larger .357 revolvers, I use any good brand of 125-grain JHP, and in my smaller .357 revolvers, I tend to use 145-grain Winchester Silvertips.

Not the latest-trendiest; I do not follow trends... I used a Federal 125-grain .357 Mag JHP to stop an incident in 1993, and that load was already well-proven back then.
 
Quality, commercial JHP ammunition that I have determine functions reliably in my guns(s). I've used, at one time or another, Federal Hydra-Shok, Speer Gold Dot, Remington Golden Saber and Winchester PDX1.
 
125 gr JHP in my..

Colt magnum carry. In the Colt snub nose Agent I carry the Federal Nyclad JHP. I use these 2 revolvers alternately depending on how I am dressed during the winter and warmer months with IWB holster.
 
I carry 230gr Win. Ranger T JHP in my .45's, which is all I carry. I haven't had to shoot anyone luckily, but I am confident in it's stopping abillty AND that it performes well in my guns.
 
P32= Fiocchi ball
Taurus TCP= Swampfox 90gr XTP
Taurus 709= 147gr+P HST
Glock 20= Swampfox 180gr XTP
Taurus Raging Bull= haven't decided yet, probably Corbon DPX in .44spl, doubt I'll ever carry that as a CCW though.
 
Winchester PDX in my Glock 23, thinking about getting the same for my SR9c or some Federal Hydra-Shock. I'm going to get both and see which one I like more.
 
I've become a very good fan of the Hornady Critical Defense. I carry it in either 9mm or .380 ACP depending on the weapon I'm carrying. I chose this ammunition because it has never caused a jam or feeding problem and to date I've had a 100% successful rating of it always firing as well as it having the desired spread/mushroom effect on target that most JHP go for.
 
I load my own .38 SPL. I use Speer's 148 gr. hollowbased wadcutters on top of 4 gr. of HP38/Win231. It's a fairly stout & nasty round and costs me something like $6.00 for 50 rounds. I get to practice with my carry load without spending a fortune.
 
As I live in a townhome with a common wall, my home S/D revolvers are loaded with Remington .357 Magnum Golden Sabers. But my preferred load is a 158Gr. LSWC ahead of 14 grains of Herco. 2400, with a CCI primer.
 
For me, I don't want to find myself needing the penetration or the necessary stopping power against a 300 lb. intruder that could possibly shake off a low velocity round and may have to penetrate layer's of heavy clothing as well.

High velocity or low velocity a BG of any size might shake off a handgun round. If you don't destroy the heart, brain, or upper spinal cord there is no telling how long the fight will last. Barring a hit in one of those areas a stop is an eventuality and not an immediate event. If the stop is immediate, it was a psychological stop.

Clothing has a very small impact on bullet performance unless you are shooting through hard leathers or a motorcycle racing jacket. Otherwise the biggest problem is going to be a clog turning your HP in to a FMJ. In that case you are going to get plenty of penetration through the remaining layers.

And in todays world of drug crazed perpetrators being on the prowl, I prefer to not find myself being chased down by some crack head fueled perp that wasn't stopped by the limited performance of a reduced velocity round.

Look up the Officer Soulis incident. He scored 17 hits to the chest with a .40S&W loaded with Ranger SXT. The hit total was 22 before the guy stopped fighting back. In the toxicology report it stated there were only trace amounts of alcohol in the perp's system. You can also look up the Miami FBI shootout. Platt took a number of hits that should have stopped him, in theory. He kept fighting with several major wounds. His blood was 100% drug and alcohol free.

A perp came in and shot him in the back of the head with a .357 mag. revolver, and because the ammunition this BG was using was a low velocity grade, the round simply bounced off leaving only a bleeding scalp wound.

I have a friend that experienced something similar during a home invasion. Chances are your friend's wound had more to do with angle than with velocity. Even a 148gr .38spl wadcutter designed for target shooting will penetrate a skull. It doesn't get much lower on the velocity scale for ammo that fits a .357mag.

In my friend's case it did knock a chunk of bone out. (There was actually more damage done by the muzzle blast. He had scorched skin and hair.) The doctor said he had seen similar wounds with several different calibers. It was a matter of the angle at which the bullet struck.

I'm not trying to bust your chops. There is just another side to the thought process and I want to present it for everybody. What you do works for you and that is fine. I hope you never need to find out how well it works, or if it works "too well."

For me, I carry 147gr Winchester Ranger Bonded in my 9mm. I don't plan on one shot being enough. Since I can put rounds on target faster with a 9mm it is a better choice for me. The 147gr averages over 15.5" of penetration in clothing tests and expands to nearly .58" on average. To me that is plenty of performance when added in with the barrier pentration ability of the heavier bullet.
 
.25 Glaser "Blue" Safety Slugs
.38 Special Magsafe "Defender"
.32 S&W-L Fiocchi LWC
 
Corbon DPX in 9mm and 40 S&W. The Corbon in 40 is a hot round. A noticeable increase in recoil and it sounded like a desert eagle going off.
 
I used to be very picky in my choices of SD ammo, but I believe that these days most of the premium SD rounds are fairly comparable so I'm a bit more flexible. Currently, I'm using the following SD rounds in my three SD handguns, but this could easily change if I found a good deal on something else:

  • .38 SPL - Federal 125gr Nyclad HP. Good street record and easy to shoot in an airweight snub.
  • 9mm - Federal HST 124gr +P JHP. I only use 115 or 124gr +P in my 9mm handguns.
  • .45 ACP - Speer Gold Dot 230gr JHP - For 45's I prefer a heavier bullet with good expansion.
 
I use 124grain Golden Sabres. They're available at a local store, which is why I started carrying them a year or so back. They've always fed well, so I stuck with them.
 
Right now it's 124 grain Gold dots in my 9mms, 135 grain Hydrashocks in my .40 PPS and whatever ball ammo I last shot with in my .380. The .380 I don't trust to take advantage of expanding SD ammo, I want to be assured of decent penetration (as much as I can, anyway) if I have to use the pocket gun.
 
Right now, I have the SAA loaded with hollow point semi-wadcutters, but I still haven't decided what I like the best.

The 1911 has 230gr Hydras.
 
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