What would you do different--tactics in a home invasion video?

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  1. boom boom
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    One woman takes on three home invaders. Note the speed in which all of this happens--it was caught on the home surveillance video displayed on WSB-TV broadcast. What would you do different?

    http://preview.tinyurl.com/zjc3t6k
    I'll start--she apparently fires outdoors near the end of the video at fleeing invaders. Cannot tell obviously whether they are still threatening her outside of the house.
     
  2. Shaq

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    Video wouldn't load, but if it's the same incident I saw on yesterday's news, she & her husband both fired. I'd say they did OK; one of the home invaders was killed.
     
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    Woman rushes out of bed and opens fire at three home invaders

    http://dailym.ai/2d9UH0Z


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    Easy to Monday-morning quarterback things like this. I usually balk at the guys who preach high capacity as the only option and generally side with the revolver/1911 guys.....but....she went to slide-lock pretty quickly. Had one of the perps come back around to engage, she would have been dead. I'm re-thinking my choices now.
     
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    She was foolish to leave whatever concealment or maybe cover she had to run out and engage them. It looked like she could have had them bottled up in the little hallway.

    I have to wonder what this was all about. Was that a home, or a residence that was being used as a warehouse for the restaurant she managed. It would be easier to critique if we had more information.


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    I can not fault her actions during the event. I wasn't there.

    My only comment is that they shouldn't have gotten in to begin with. There are too many things that can be done to keep problems outside that weren't done.

    You don't have to live in what looks like a prison. Use of lighting, plantings, fencing and better doors and windows (that look quite stylish) will harden up a target and this tends to push miscreants elsewhere.
     
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    I'm new, so not to take away anything she did, what would be the collective wisdom on how to handle that situation? To me it seemed like she hazarded herself too much, but like I said, I know little.


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    From what I could see of it, I agree that keeping some cover would have been wise, but it seems like maybe the criminals weren't expecting such a strong resistance, and once start scattering, the "full court press" style kept them all running for their lives. It could have gone worse if they weren't scared off.
    Still, she did well for being woken up by three armed men in the house, IMO.
     
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    The only link I was able to view was the YouTube vid that BoomBoom posted.


    From what I'm seeing I think she's VERY lucky she didn't get shot. I'm glad it turned out well for her and I know none of us know how we'd react having not been there, but she looked like someone who had little training.

    She basically comes flailing out of the room she's in shooting one handed with little control. I think most sensible folks would agree those are all bad moves. Personally, I think if she'd posted up at the door way she was in and kept two hands on the gun she could have had the same outcome while posing less danger to herself.


    And what Guyfromohio posted about capacity is why I'm such an advocate of it. This video is proof that it is entirely possible to be invaded by multiple BG's, and in such a case it behooves one to have more than 5-6 shots.



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    WOW!!:eek:

    I hope I never have to go through anything like that!

    Right now I have a 3rd floor apt with 1 way in and I brace the door when Im
    home.

    I am buying a house in a few months. Security will be much harder.

    Jimmy
     
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    Link to news story and video: http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/gwinnett-county/video-shows-woman-shooting-at-invaders-during-gwinnett-home-invasion/448984282?cid=abcn_fb

    I do not wish to be critical: She prevailed, and so all hail to the victor. That said, she gave up a bit of an advantage by not taking more of an ensconced defender type role, and carefully directing her fire from cover or at least concealment...

    But even people who know to do all that sometimes fail to remember to do it when they are under stress, and she survived the encounter, so second guessing is moot in that sense. Police are seeking the two surviving suspects--see link above.
     
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    Welcome to THR! You're about right, and I suspect that's what Jeff White meant above when he talked about not leaving cover (which stops bullets) or concealment (which prevents people from seeing someone, but does not stop bullets). Defending in one's home, it tends to be prudent to remain in a defensible position at a choke point or other advantageous ground; that is, if an assailant opens a certain door, enters a certain hallway, or comes up a set of stairs, the home owner would be able to defend that position with the element of surprise.
     
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    It looks to me like man in hat is moving assertively towards the victim, had to know if there was sound that triggered it or they were all just searching the dwelling. Hard to say she acted improperly given the results. A little better control and she could have killed them all I suppose but it is interesting to see actual real time action and by doing so we can also see how chaotic reality is and how hard it is to recreate.
    She employed all of Cooper's Principals.
    I haven't taken the time to try and count rounds fired but we do see that there is no such thing as to much ammo in this case and while the thugs ran when the bullets flew they were quite bold in kicking the door and 4am isn't the conventional time that I hear of home invasions.
    Kind of a weird deal with all the cameras and warehousing the restaurant supplies but I'm sure it happens.

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    Winner.
    It's like a plane crash. If everyone walked away, the pilot did the right thing. Period.
     
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    What she did worked in thT gunfight. The only thing I didn't fully understand was after the figh was over she wasn't carrying the firearm around.
     
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    I always wonder as threads like these unfold, how many of the respondents have been involved in violence, much less a firefight. I also wonder about ages.
     
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    Woulda. coulda. shoulda. At the end of the day she is alive, pretty much all that matters....
     
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    Watch this version - fuller video

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tip2JYla2g

    Here is a full video. Note that this did NOT happen as fast as in the original video. The intruders kick in the door and search much of the house, going in and out of rooms, turning on and off lights all BEFORE the occupant comes out with her gun.

    As for shooting the "fleeing" intruders, watch the door after they go out of it and you can see muzzle flashes reflected off of it. They are shooting back toward the house.
     
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    Most have said, hinted "we don't know how we would react"... "she did well"..... But if you want to talk perfect maybe..........

    In any vidio taped situation room for improvement is possible. And everyones background is different.

    I agree that rushing them had chance of her getting shot. She could have been in bad spot if they had come back. She did good. But anyone could do better. Its useful to see actual situation, see what maybe could have been better.. I hope by looking at it I may do better then I would otherwise.
     
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    What would I have done differently? I would have held to cover or concealment to maintain as much tactical advantage as I had.

    I would have not chased them out the door and fired on them once they were out of the house and in retreat. That would potentially be surrendering any legal advantage I have. THe fight isn't over once the bad guy is gone. I need to be able to justify that every shot I fired was in self defense, and that is difficult to do if the BG was shot in the back while fleeing. Maybe the BG was turning back and shooting at her while she was at the door, but we don't know that. It is equally possible that he was running away, at which time he is no longer an immediate threat.
     
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    Darned hard to go from flat out to zero in a second or so. Survival instincts are not controlled by manmade laws but by the primal instincts our species has had since day one. That same primal instinct is why she attacked and not simply defend. It's the instinct to attack that is one reason our species survived.

    No mention of anyone else in the house other than the room mate. But I wonder if she is a mommy. Nature has shown you don't mess with the mommy.
     
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    Watching the longer video, it seemed like the woman didn't start shooting until the thugs started moving through the house. In that situation, she was justifiably concerned that they would find her. I'd have opened fire too, but I don't think I'd have chased them when they ran off.
     
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    Had my share

    I was a cop for 26 years and got to search too many buildings to recall even half.

    Some were industrial [ huge ] and most were residential.

    Too often I had one officer as back up [ not nearly enough to cover ANY building search ].

    And then there were the instances when I was told by dispatch " your alone,use caution ".

    Talk about pucker factor !,that taste afterwards is your butthole in the back of your throat.

    I have had " that moment " in my own home,loud noises or possible intruder.

    I do NOT and have not EVER ran through the house.

    Take cover and call ---- of course be armed.

    IF ,and only IF there were a total collapse of the infrastructor .I would have to actually search my house.

    With EXTREME caution and never running towards a shooter.

    Just my old man 00.02 cents.

    The whole idea is to NOT GET SHOT OR STABBED ---- at all.

    IF,I felt the need to actually search my home.

    I have a vest handy,a light handy and shooter ears [ ya know,with a mic ].
     
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    Well, they searched for a while through the house before she opened up. As for chasing the thugs, you don't want them to stop and have a gun fight with you in your house, do you? You want them gone. Right or wrong, she used her surprise, speed, and violence of action to her favor to drive the threat away.
     
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