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What would you improve about your state's CCW law?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Green Lantern, Aug 22, 2006.

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  1. Green Lantern

    Green Lantern Member

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    Here in NC:

    -No carry in any place that serves alcohol. Guns and booze do NOT mix, but I'd like to go out to a nice place to eat and not have to disarm. Especially since I never touch alcohol anyway! :cuss:

    -No carry in: Banks, areas of assemblies, parades, funerals, or demonstrations...:rolleyes:

    (...I thought I heard we couldn't carry into places that charged admission, like a movie theater, but don't see it listed...)

    And finally, that we MUST tell an officer we are carrying, even if not asked. I can see where LEO would appreciate this, but I can see it leading to some "awkward" moments.

    Let's say you work in a retail store that sells Sudafed. By a miracle, company policy allows you to carry.

    BUT...you have LEO customers. And even if they stopped shopping there, with the Sudafed laws, you're bound to get one in every now and then to check your records for possible meth-heads.

    So, you're not going to be "concealed" very long as sooner or later you're going to have to blab that you're lawfully carrying a gun in front of co-workers, customers, or both! :what:

    I say amend that to limit the "must notify" provision to traffic stops, or something. So that you don't feel like a criminal when you answer a casual "hello" to a cop on the street and don't tell him you're packing...!
     
  2. kengrubb

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    Make it a Concealed Weapon License rather than a Concealed Pistol License, and get rid of all the silly, stupid knife ban or obfuscation statutes.

    A defense to civil action law. See FS 776.085
    http://makeashorterlink.com/?I21C235DB

    However, there is no guarantee an intruder will be found guilty of a "forcible or attempted forcible felony".
    Read State Farm v. Marshall, 554 So. 2d 504
    http://makeashorterlink.com/?B32C215DB

    Amend RCW 9.41.270 allowing open carry, but that may be OT.
    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.270

    Amend RCW 9.41.280 allowing CPL holders to carry other than simply "while picking up or dropping off a student."
    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.280

    That's a good start.
     
  3. kengrubb

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    Unfortunately, you are correct. See §14-269.3
     
  4. FireBreather01

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    Wisconsin - actually having CCW would be a nice start! :mad:
     
  5. crazed_ss

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    I havent even looked at the resrictions on where people can or cant carry here.

    First things fist. I would like it if they this state was Shall-Issue..
     
  6. Ramius

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    a big +1 on the prohibition of carrying in 'any place where alcohol is both sold and consumed'

    I do not drink, never have, but it is getting harder and harder to find a resturant in my area (or any area, for that matter) that does not serve alcohol.

    Also the movie thing, we all know that a movie theater parking lot is a dandy place to have your car broken into- and it'll be the end of the movie before anyone notices.

    Aside from that, I'd love to have restrictions on where cities can ban CCW, like parks, bike trails, etc. I'd love to use the Salem Lake Greenway in Winston Salem, but they have a big 'no guns' sign at one entrance, and it goes through a hood I'd be very uncomfortable passing through unarmed. Somehow, I don't think the bad guys in that area obey the sign... :banghead:

    Even with all the warts, though, I'm very happy NC has a CCW shall issue. It has greatly simplified my ability to be safe, and legal. Wish we'd had it years ago when I was driving a tractor trailer, bringing in produce in the VERY bad part of town.
     
  7. mp510

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    I would scrap the suitability clause, that allows a CLEO to reject an application without haveing to provide a reason if he believes that a person is not suitable. Granted it has its uses, but a CLEO could call anyone not-suitable.
     
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    I'm with Firebreather!!
     
  9. Trazar

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    I myself was very surprised about the "sold and consumed" law in NC. It's a redundant law. The law says you can not have even 0.00000001% alcohol in your blood and carry concealed, yet you also can not carry in an establishment that sales and consumes? I can understand that possibly in an establishment where ONLY alcohol is sold (a bar/pub/sports bar), but now of days, all the restaurants know alot of the money they make is from alcohol sales so they push to get it in place no matter what. It's really one of the more stupid CCW laws. The one about no place that charges admission is just another one that is unfathomable. I can understand a football game at a major stadium or a large concert, but a movie? That's just ridiculous. There are more than a few laws that we need to correct, but like the others said I am just happy we have CC in this state. Also, I believe that in NC you are only supposed to disclose your CC license to an officer if he directly addresses YOU. He has to come up and speak to you before you have to say you are carrying (or not carrying, in your car you still have to say I have a CC and I DO NOT have a handgun).
     
  10. Hkmp5sd

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    Remove all restrictions on where to carry. If you're dumb enough to carry into a bar, get drunk and shoot someone without having the law prohibit you, you are too dumb to carry period.
     
  11. ksnecktieman

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    I would like to see all states copy the law of Vermont..... No permit required, and the statute says,,, You may carry, as long as you have no "criminal intent".

    If anyone wants to clarify, or ridicule me for misinformation,,,,, proceed,,, IMHO the second amendment means what it says.
     
  12. Langenator

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    I would add to kengrubb's list for Washington state:

    -recognition of all states' CCW licenses, to include recognition of the right for those in states that don't require a permit. Word the law something along the lines of "any citizen of any of the several states who has permission to carry a concealed weapon in their state of residence, shall have the right to carry concealed weapons in this state."

    -all publicly owned or operated facilities*-to include schools- shall be required to do the same thing as court buildings are required to do, to wit:

    With the addition that, if a place of storage is not provided, persons must be allowed to carry their weapon(s) with them.

    *private property is private property. If they don't like your weapons, they can still tell you to leave.
     
  13. Autolycus

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    I dont think private homes and business should be forced to give you a place to store your weapon. Publicly funded facilities, buildings, and events are a different matter.
     
  14. strambo

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    The states with all the restrictions are pretty funny. We'll let you carry a gun, but not around any other people...or legal substances (whether you use it or not).:rolleyes: What's the point? You can carry only in the places you are least likely to need it?

    There shouldn't be any restrictions except the courthouse for security reasons. Private businesses have the right to control their property how they see fit. No Nanny State interference required.
     
  15. Dr.Who

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    Illinios..... How about getting one! Get rid of Daley... Get republicians in....
     
  16. arthurcw

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    The only thing I can think of is that Employers are allowed to prevent you from leaving your gun in your car when at work. I'm all for property rights and business owners have the right to not allow a gun on premises. But it's pretty asinine to say you are going to fire me for defending myself on the road to and from work!

    Side note: I work from home using a company owned computer. Our Employee Handbook clearly states that I may not have a gun on company property. One day I was frustrated and put my gun on my company computer and snapped a picture. I sent it to my boss and said, “I guess you have to fire me now… PLEASE!” I didn’t work. :mad:
     
  17. Frog48

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    Do away with licensing all together.
     
  18. coat4gun

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    I just do not understand how people can justify any carry restrictions when there are some States with essentially none... and the blood is not running in the street.... while others (like North Carolina) have so many that I am feeling anxiety about carrying on my visit next week from PA.... and blood is still not running in the street.

    Are the people in Vermont so much better and civilized then the people in North Carolina? I somehow don't think so.... Then why do they need to be told what and where to carry? It makes no sense.

    I can carry in a bar in PA... I have never heard of a CCW permit holder going to a bar (because he/she can), have a few drinks and then start shooting up the place. It just doesn't happen. I guess those in PA just must be much more civilized then those in North Carolina??

    I just can't stand injustice, and carry restrictions are unjust and unreasonable. I am responsible to protect myself and my family... I would be a fool not to carry, so carry restrictions actually prohibit me from going to certain places... I take my responsibility very seriously and will not be disarmed.
     
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    paperless like AK and VT
     
  20. Hypnogator

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    All States: Require any governmental agency or private entity that prohibits concealed carry on their premesis to provide secure lockboxes at each public entrance for concealed weapons bearers to secure their weapons in while inside the premesis.

    Also, impose strict liability on any such agency that if a visitor who disarms at the facility is injured, the agency will be liable for both real and punitive damages for any injury which could conceivably have been prevented had the visitor been armed.

    That ought to get the attention of the corporate liability lawyers! :what: :eek: :D :D :D
     
  21. El Tejon

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    I would change the colour--it's pink here!:uhoh: :scrutiny:

    Something more tactical like coyote brown or black perhaps?:D
     
  22. coltrane679

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    From Florida:

    Adopt the VT/AK system for concealed carry.

    Allow open carry.

    PS: If anyone doesn't like their employer's policies, they can always get another job--that's how things worked forever until "the New Deal" (i.e. socialism) taught them that the government would strong-arm private businesses on their behalf in exchange for their votes and ever-increasing portions of their paychecks (to pay for all the gubmit thugs to enforce every damn thing they passed).

    If you claim to hate coercive, overbearing government, you should be loath to ask it to use such tactics where you have a perfectly free choice already. No one ever said exercising rights might not have consequences on a private level--try going to work and telling your boss what you really think of him.
     
  23. RealGun

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    I reject the notion that a business OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, uncontrolled ingress and egress, has the right to exclude being armed. I totally accept that entering someone's home requires permission, but if not free to carry on private property outdoors, when is one ever prepared for self defense?

    Storage of firearms in a vehicle should be unconditionally legal. An employer would not have property rights to exclude firearms from outside a facility as in a parking lot. Entering a building armed should be subject to the owner or tenant's rules. However, the firearms would be more secure in a locker than in the average vehicle. I have a safe in my trunk, so maybe more would need something like that.

    The first order of business in SC is to allow carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol, possibly reserving the restriction for any separate bar area. I don't like to be around alcohol but there are too many places where I can't or won't go in to eat.

    I would also like to establish clearly that carry restrictions at the post office do NOT apply to CCW license holders. That is likely more a federal issue.
     
  24. coltrane679

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    So, owners cannot condition entry onto their private property as they wish? No one compels you to visit ANY business or work any job. What concept of private property are you working from--or is this all just premised on what suits you? How is my parking lot different from my building--becasue you say so?

    That's some philosophical basis to run a country--it just devolves a battle of raw politcal power. And the losers just whine a lot becasue they didn't get their way--so much for a government of laws, not men.

    Welcome to America 2006. When so-called "conservative" enclaves such as gun boards are rfie with this kind of thinking, you know all hope is lost.
     
  25. coltrane679

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    PS: The Post Office is a totally different issue, as that is a product of federal law, not the results of a private actor. No question that restriction should go down.
     
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