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What would you say to a 7" match-grade, long-slide, stainless steel, 10mm automatic?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by gunfan, Apr 3, 2004.

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Would you like to see a 7" Dan Wesson Razorback?

Poll closed Jun 2, 2004.
  1. Yes! What a great hunting autopistol that would be!

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  2. No, I can't see a use for it.

    10 vote(s)
    18.5%
  3. I'm not sure.

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    13.0%
  4. Who cares?

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  1. gunfan

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    What would everyone on this BB say to a stainless steel 7" long-slide 10mm automatic, based on the Dan Wesson Razorback?
    7" slide/barrel. (no FCS)

    "Unramped" (read: extra case head support) Match barrel/bushing and link.

    Adjustable sights

    Adjustable match-type trigger.

    20-lb variable Wolff recoil spring

    25 lb hammer spring.

    Titanium alloy firing pin

    What I want is a 1911-type pistol that will handle extremely hot 180-220 grain hardcast and JHP bullets that have been tailor made for handgun hunting.

    Yes or no?

    Scott

    :cool: :D
     
  2. Marshall

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    For Hunting, I would rather keep to this arena.....................

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  3. tc300mag1

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    For hunting no just for the heck of it yeah
     
  4. Smoke

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    Hey beautiful, want to come over to my place?

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  5. deleteall

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    Ummmm, Dan Wesson is coming out with a longslide 10mm. Don't know about the rest of the stuff, but sure it could be added.
     
  6. hksw

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    It had already been done by AMT/IAI, the Javelina. Have one, it is a POS. Use it for parts for my Spring Omega.

    If a newer manufacturer who didn't have the issues IAI/AMT had, I'd be willing to look at it again.
     
  7. gunfan

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    hksw.

    I have a IAI Javalina and it shoots very well, thank you! While its not up to modern standards, the concept of having a 7" 10mm manufactured by Dan Wesson is MY idea of a "good time!"

    Dan Wesson's Global Hunter (10mm auto) and Global Survivalist (.45 ACP) are coming out in about 2 weeks. These pistols have 6" barrels while not bad, per se, the 7" barrel will permit the 10mm to perform better than a 6" tube.

    The 10mm auto has this great quality that permits it to reach "peak pressure" in a maximum of 8 inches of barrel. The 7" barrel's sighting radius, coupled with a reduction in slide velocity, should increase/enhance the pistol frame's service life.

    This is why I truly believe that a reintroduction of the IAI/AMT "Javalina" pistol, in modern materials and employing today's manufacturing techniques, would be a real solution to the eternal question... "Will this 10mm pistol be a great hunter?"

    The answer should be a resounding, unqualified, "Yes!"

    Scott

    Scott
     
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  8. Myself

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    I would say hello. Nice to meet you.
    :)
     
  9. Marcus

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    I`d say YES YES YES YES YES YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D Now if I can have that as a 7" 10mm variant of a S&W 945 I`d REALLY be happy. The beefier than 1911 frame would be great for shooting LOTS of HOT loads. :) Marcus
     
  10. Majic

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    For hunting I would rather take my 6 1/2" M610. I would much rather spend time following a blood trail than hunting around for the brass in the brush.
     
  11. arinvolvo

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    i dont hunt...but it would be a fun range blaster!
     
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    I'd rather use a wheelgun for hunting, a .41 mag with a 7 1/2" tube, DA.
    Hunting with a gun that holds 9+1 isn't legal in my state, so I don't even have the option.
     
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    What would everyone on this BB say to a stainless steel 7" long-slide 10mm automatic, based on the Dan Wesson Razorback?



    I would say COME TO PAPA!
     
  14. Zak Smith

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    Doesn't the original 1911 design have an "unramped" barrel. Ramped barrels came later and have more case head support.

    FWIW, a 1911 with a slide 6" or longer needs some serious slide lightening to maintain a normal slide velocity. Most of the IPSC guys running 6" Limited guns have lightened slides. Otherwise when it chunks back into battery, the muzzle dips from the momentum of the slide crashing to a halt.

    -z
     
  15. gunfan

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    Zak Smith:

    In a "racegun" application, I couldn't agree more. In a hunting situation, however, using full-house 10mm auto catridges the long slide tends to reduce its velocity and subsequent frame battering.

    My IAI has the 7" slide and barrel. It works very well.

    Scott :D
     
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    "Hey there baby, how would you like to spend some time with me?"
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    How about this... in general, when 1911 slides are shorter than 4" or longer than 5", extra work is required to make them run as consistantly as 4" to 5" guns do out of the box with equally good ammo, mags and springs.

    In the real world, what kind of velocity and energy increases should we expect to see using factory 10mm ammo going from a very common 5" barrel to a very exotic 7" barrel? I'm sure with the right hand load with the right burning powder, I'm sure interesting things could happen, but with common 10mm factory loads?

    My gut reaction would be such a beast would be relegated to 'big blaster' guys rather than guys that actually use and carry the gun. In hunting, I'd rather have something with a known reliable history and... I guess I'd just rather have a 5" 1911. I've neverl even been able to get used to the two 6" 1911s I've spend time with.
     
  18. gunfan

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    Since I own a Javalina,

    I'll let you know that with the 180-200 grain bullets, you can expect to see a 60 fps gain, on the average, over the 5" barrel. The difference in the sighting radius is quite pronounced.

    Back in 1992, I was handloading a 170 grain Nosler JHP over 13 grains of AA#7. This produced an average of 1374 fps, and 713 fpe. This particular concoction was worked up by John Taffin (american handgunner) and was considered a warm load in its day.

    I hope that this clears things up.

    Scott
     
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    Last I checked, this wasn't the revolver forum, or the general forum, but the autoloader forum. ;)

    If .357 Magnum revolvers can hunt, then 10mm can hunt just as well, and make a bigger hole in the process.

    And 10mm loads can make pretty big gains in velocity from extra barrel length. Cor-Bon 180gr JSP that chronos about 1,300 ft/sec from a 4.6" barrel will do over 1,400 ft/sec from a 6" barrel, for instance. I think a 7" longslide would be getting a bit awkward, but could only be better from a velocity point of view. 10mm ain't .45 ACP... you have alot more pressure to work with.

    Something to bear in mind is that a 10mm is not a .45 ACP. Instead of 370 ft-lbs from GI hardball we are talking about over 700 with hot hunting loads. A heavier slide, slowing down slide velocity, would help make the 10mm gun more reliable... not less. You could use lighter recoil springs (maybe 18.5 instead of 20-22 lbs) and save the gun abuse in both directions.
     
  21. gunfan

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    Dear Sean Smith...

    The quality of my IAI Javalina is good. Bart Skelton loved his until it was stolen. Just what have you heard about the rest of them? is there a "glimmer of hope" to see this type of project revived?

    What say you Sean?

    Scott
     
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