What's doing with the NRA

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  1. Insignificant bill

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    Bad management has cost the members 100s of millions of dollars and hasn't been fixed that is the problem. The fact that the members have no say in changing the leadership of the organization tells alot. What legit organization prevents the members from changing it? The board of the NRA is a joke.
     
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  2. Mark_Mark
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    NRA = another 3 letter agency
     
  3. dannyd

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    Unfortunately the NRA looks like a Religious Organization now like the old PTL group, but with My money. We are definitely Victims here and the Class Action Lawsuit will probably happen when the AG's and IRS get done with them.
     
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    Actually, it's a beat-up old Chevy pickup. Our Pastor is an automobile mechanic by trade, and he makes his living repairing automobiles in his garage behind the church - not as a Pastor.
    I'd be mighty surprised if Pastor Jack even owns a suit.
    Naw, there's a basket on a table in front of the pulpit that some folks discreetly put money in on Sundays, but I've never heard anyone in our church "petition" for more.
    I'm just kidding around, 230RN. The truth is I agree with most everything you said about La Pierre and the NRA.:thumbup:
    I'm a member, my wife's a member, and we're not about to quit just because there's a new message from the NRA on our answering machine almost every week. We don't have to donate more money, and we suspect the news media delights in exaggerating and over-publicizing scandals involving La Pierre and the NRA.
     
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    If we wait for anti 2A garbage to stop before we deal with problems within the NRA, it will never happen. I understand the leaky bucket argument. But we have dealt with gun control for my entire life, and I am 53. We no longer have a leaky bucket, we have no bottom left in the bucket and the bucket needs repaired. The cronyism needs fixed, as well as the financial issues.
     
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    In 2017 gullible NRA members were suckered believing that the NRA could be taken over by Soros and his antis. Those NRA members voted in a bylaw change designed to prevent members from making nominations to the board of directors. They voted away other rights too. As a result of those bylaw changes NRA members have absolutely no say in the running of the organization.

    Jeff Knox warned us; some of us heeded, more did not:

    Of Arms and the Law: NRA bylaw changes

    Jeff Knox's Letter to the NRA Re: Rules Changes - The Truth About Guns



     
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    Why do actions over several years in the NRA remind me of Randi Weingarten of a large Teacher’s Union…..or the fancy LA home of BLM—-

    These vague similarities are why the NRA never enters my thinking - at all - until I see a topic about it.
     
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  8. 230RN
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    230RN I keep pushing that pendulum back.

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    Remember this when you look at all the suits and whatnots leveled against any firearms organization...

    Accusations are cheap.
    Defense is expensive.

    Defense is expensive.



    There's the motive for making as many accusations as possible.

    Accusations are cheap.
    Defense is expensive.
     
  9. GEM

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    Here is a major problem. It used to be the case that in the debates about gun rights/control, major figures from the NRA could speak out on the standard news media debate - Meet the Press for example, interviews on the news shows.

    Now if WLP appeared there would be no way to keep to the issue. He never really was inspirational but he's neutered now. The issue needs a competent and appealing spokesperson. Wayne tended to be a raver at times.

    If you are in a leadership position it is your responsibility to not continue if you are not effective. It is a measure of person. I'm sure he has financial security for a decent life style. Thus, the conclusion is clear - you are a detriment and move on. Discussing this is not attacking the organization,anymore than saying the USA is a bad country because a president is not up to snuff. We vote in another.
     
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    Good points all.
     
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    Yep:
    NRA Spending on Lawyers Is on Pace for Record This Year (2021 in Bloomberg News)
     
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    Again Please Read the Complaint; Is the Left out to destroy the NRA: Yes. Did the NRA management make it Easy for Them to do: Yes.

    And yes I am member.

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  13. 230RN
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    230RN I keep pushing that pendulum back.

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    Yes, just as 2 shootings become mass murders, two guns become an arsenal, and 2 bricks of 22s becomes "thousands of rounds of ammunition."

    Anyhow, I'm really surprised that we haven't become more aware of how our conclusions are shaped by dozens (or hundreds) of zingers from the anti coalitions and their willing toadies in the media.

    I'm glad to hear someone else make your bolded statement.

    Now is not the time to rock the listing boat. Or give a hotfoot to the proverbial 800 lb gorilla. Yes, we've seen anti activity before, but in my experience, the current hysteria and dozens of strategic maneuvers over guns exceeds any in my recollection.

    We can deal with the hangnail later, after we come out of intensive care.

    Terry
     
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    In my opinion what is exacerbating the current hysteria is that the huge increase in violent crimes brought on by the left wing defund the police, soft on crime nonsense is encouraging the low lifes to see what they can get away with. This includes the use of illegally obtained firearms.
     
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    They aren't getting out of intensive care because management would rather sink then save the ship.
     
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    230RN I keep pushing that pendulum back.

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    That's my opinion, too, but it's only based on my suspicion that the Left is unscrupulous and married to the notion that the end justifies the means. (That suspicion itself is just an opinion, of course.)

    I see no smileys or LOLs in there. So what would be their motivation?

    Not trying to be challenging, but the only motivations I can see are (1) distribution of assets in a collapse; (2) the entire board of directors is actually composed of a near-majority of anti-gunners. <smiley>

    Again, not trying to be confrontational, but is your statement merely a repetition of propaganda or based on reality? It's even possible that some antipathy toward the NRA is fostered by competing pro-2A organizations. Not saying it is, just that it's a possibility that a smart General would take into account. <no smiley here>

    Most of us are not aware of how propaganda --or even advertising --works. But the Left wing forces are superbly adept at using it. That's also just an opinion of mine. Just an opinion, but labeled as such.

    Terry
     
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  17. Insignificant bill

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    Money and hoping they can stay out of jail. It's not propaganda. Wayne has employed two people that had been convicted of fraud. Wanye was running questionable expenses through Ackerman McQueen. He is a cancer that can't seem to be cured. Part of the problem is there are members that don't believe it. Oh and his attempt at bankruptcy which he did on his own.
     
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    This right here tells me you know nothing about the NRA problems. You are playing games with conspiracy stuff. You can blame the tooth fairy, mass shootings and hallucinations; fact is the NRA is in trouble and turmoil because the leadership and the BOD willfully ignored the reporting requirements of the New York State Charities Bureau, lied on federal and New York financial reports, misappropriated and stole donated funds.

    Yep, the antis want to do away with the NRA, no doubt about that. With their cheating and lying, WLP and his lackeys jumped into the waiting arms of Letitia James.

    Further digging by the AG and her staff uncovered evidence that WLP and his lackeys stole and misappropriated $100s of millions of dollars of donated funds, chartered airplanes and entered into contracts not approved by BOD members, plundered the NRA Foundation, falsely charged personal items to the NRA, ad nauseum, ad nauseum.

    The office of the NY AG deposed numerous NRA executives and employees, outside accountants, Colonel Oliver North, contractors, 90 present and former members of the BOD, etc.

    The phony NRA bankruptcy extravaganza was a Hail Mary effort to escape the clutches of the NY Attorney General by registering the NRA in Texas. Thankfully, the bankruptcy judge, Harlan Hale, threw the "case" out of court. This effort cost NRA donors $20 million in lawyer fees.

    NRA Gets Rare Rebuke From DOJ Bankruptcy Official As It Tries To Escape NY AG - TPM – Talking Points Memo

    Summary of the bankruptcy judges decision:

    "There are several aspects of this case that still trouble the Court, including the manner and secrecy in which authority to file the case was obtained in the first place, the related lack of express disclosure of the intended Chapter 11 case to the board of directors and most of the elected officers, the ability of the debtor to pay its debts, and the primary legal problem of the debtor being a state regulatory action.

    The Court agrees with the NYAG that the NRA is using this bankruptcy case to address a regulatory enforcement problem, not a financial one. The Court finds that the NRA did not file the bankruptcy petition in good faith because this filing was not for a purpose intended or sanctioned by the Bankruptcy Code. Therefore, cause exists under section 1112(b) to dismiss this case, which the Court finds is in the best interests of creditors and the estate.

    The Court is not dismissing this case with prejudice,113 but should the NRA file a new bankruptcy case, this Court would immediately take up some of its concerns about disclosure, transparency, secrecy, conflicts of interest of officers and litigation counsel, and the unusual involvement of litigation counsel in the affairs of the NRA, which could cause the appointment of a trustee out of a concern that the NRA could not fulfill the fiduciary duty required by the Bankruptcy Code for a debtor in possession.

    IT IS THEREFORE ORDERED that the Motions to Dismiss are GRANTED and the above-captioned cases are dismissed without prejudice; IT
    IS FURTHER ORDERED that the Examiner Motion is DENIED as moot; and

    IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the CRO Motion is DENIED as moot.

    113 The movants did not request a prejudice period in their original Motions to Dismiss.

    While the NYAG did request dismissal with prejudice in a reply brief, it was not discussed in the body of the reply, and the NRA did not have an opportunity to provide responsive briefing to that request. Case 21-30085-hdh11 Doc 740 Filed 05/11/21 Entered 05/11/21 14:06:18 Page 37 of 38 38 ###End of Order### Case 21-30085-hdh11 Doc 740 Filed 05/11/21 Entered 05/11"


    WLP and his minions continued their crooked ways after being charged. Read pages 143-152:

    NYAG2ndAmendedComplaint.pdf (firearmscoalition.org)
     
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    With all that is going on with the NRA, I am fortunate that I went to life over 15 years ago. I no longer have to pay any membership dues to get the magazine of my choice but I also haven't added anything to their coffers when this debacle started several years ago.
    Nor do I intend to contribute any more to them for the foreseeable future. It is sad that they have fallen to this level but that is the way it is for now.
     
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  20. 230RN
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    230RN I keep pushing that pendulum back.

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    @ alsaqr

    Very good, but in a sense what you say strengthens my position that members should be supporting the organization, not abandoning it right now.

    In short, all you say lends credence to the idea that the NRA is being victimized by a powerful vindictive set of enemies, all pretty much local to an area which is historically anti 2A --and I include the judiciary.

    In other words, a witch hunt.

    And while this sounds like the adolescent "but everybody's doing it" excuse, one cannot help but wonder how many non-profits could survive such highly detailed and unrelenting aggressively antagonistic screwtiny.

    I know that's not an argument. Call it an observation, if you will.

    The NRA is a running target for every anti-gun "shooter" in Leftland --deliberately so.

    So I grant your premises, but with my deep sense of fairness, I can only say that the NRA is being viciously persecuted.

    So say I.

    Terry, 23ORN
     
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    I can't even find a church I am 100% in agreement with.

    I think you can do better than AARP. Have you considered alternative senior groups? Here is a list. Worth a look anyway.
    https://www.elderguru.com/alternatives-to-aarp/
     
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    Like I said last time this topic came up, most of the bad we hear about the NRA and LaPierre is propaganda from the left... dirt they're incessantly trying to dig up. No one in the leadership of the NRA is any less a target. No one in any position of power on the right is any less of a target.

    I'm not a big fan of LaPierre. He's got a face that was made for radio, and generally not the best choice to be in a leadership position-. He's not the worst either.

    I've been an on again/off again member of the NRA since my youth. I just recently renewed my membership. The enemies of the 2nd would like nothing better than to see the NRA disappear. And no, there is no other pro 2nd organization that comes close to having the influence of the NRA to defend it.

    There's plenty that has always annoyed me about the NRA, and there are issues I'd like them to address that they never have. But I'm not abandoning it. I remember what Thomas Paine said about, "The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot."

    ~Beck
     
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    I will check out that particular group. However AARP is the NRA of senior groups as far as size and influence. And though I have received many many requests for support over the years, never once have I been asked to write or call my congressman to support an anti gun cause. I have benefited from membership on numerous occasions.

    Like I said I have yet to find an organization that supports all issues important to me. Nor have I ever found a politician that does. But I feel I have to choose some thing.

    I hate the way congress does their bill creation. They lump so many different things in one bill that you almost always have to support something you don't want in order to support something you do. And I understand the politics behind it. The same thing with the NRA. I feel I need to support the organization for the good it does even if it means I have to deal with the likes of Lapierre.
     
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    BTW: i spent a career in the US Army. You?

    BTW: Thomas Paine never fought in the Revolutionary War. Paine was a strap hanger and rabble rouser.

    Few people on these gun boards ever read or research anything, it's much easier to parrot Wayne La Pierres conspiracy trash.

    Some here, who have never bothered to read the charges against the NRA, call it a witch hunt.

    Sorry to interject facts into the conspiracy trash. Send your money to the NRA. Brewer, the NRA lawyer, is the SIL and BIL of Angus and Revan McQueen, one of the owners of Ackermann-McQueen; who WLP is suing after being buddy buddy with for 30 years.

    BTW: Brewer, the NRA lawyer supports the anti-gunners:

    Dallas lawyer William Brewer III helped fuel a civil war inside the NRA | The Texas Tribune

    EXPOSED: NRA’s Top Lawyer Donates to Big Democrats (secondamendmentdaily.com)

    i'm done with this one.
     
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    Life member here! The NRA badly needs to do some housekeeping! I'm still loyal but I don't like the way they are going.
     
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