What's so great about AR-15's anyway?

[Paladin_Hammer]

I called PH out in my 1st post. His statements were anti gun and inflammatory and just the opposite of what a pro gun forum should be. If he wanted to bring up reliability or base his point on a reserched issues regarding the legalities and ethics of the AR as a big game rifle that is one thing. Go back and read the OP and tell me it isn't right out of the antis talking points.

If that isn't the most paranoid, closed-minded statement of the night...

This thread WAS FOR RESEARCH X-Rap. Thanks for destroying it and driving me mad.

How amazingly tolerant of you! I can see how someone as level headed and tolerant of others is perfectly suited to firearm ownership and the rest of us are not. I simply pointed out that your original premise was flawed when asking the original question, and that was too much for you!

If I had said, "I like the AR because I like the way it looks on my mantle", what would your reaction have been? The fact of the matter is, if that's what I wanted an AR for, it would serve every bit as useful a purpose to me hanging on my wall as your bolt action lever does for you out in the field.

The original question was asked in a baiting manner, and you received answers meaded out accordingly.

I can see how arrogant you are. In fact, we all can. Your original post didn't do anything more than make me mad and you know it! I ask a question, and I get lip from you. That's not tolerant, that's arrogance.

I've reacted favorably to people's answers about their AR's, when they actually offer one! You haven't actually offered one, you've just been condescending and a burden on my simple inquiry about the abilities of an AR-15.

If you think I was baiting someone, then you've bitten at a hook that wasn't there. You've taken a ghost, hook line and sinker.

Titan6, I've got an idea. Why don't you be nice to others and maybe they'll treat you in kind? That's worked for me and everyone else for a long time. Try it, I'll return in.

I'm adding RugerOldArmy to my list with yesit'sloaded and HGUNHTR. Good info, manners, and they actually tried to inform me instead of telling me to piss off. That's three AR-15 owners trying to redeem three others. I'm up to half-and-half on the AR-15 community friendliness. One more good one and I'm with them.

 

[RugerOldArmy]

Once again to make it quite simple IMO,
1. ARs jam frequently
2. Have short barrels that aren't good for anything beyond 75 yards.
3. It's a proven fact that soldiers DO NOT clean their weapons in combat, hence the failure of this design.
4. The ARMY was stupid to ever have rejected the gas piston design in the first place.
5. .22 caliber projectiles are worthless.
6. If YOU don't have your upper upgraded to a gas piston .308, then your AR is complete GARBAGE and you paid for JUNK!

Note the thread, in this very forum, where actual servicemen pretty much refute this internet expertise myth:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=432922

You can find more information on AR15.com

Of course, you need to objectively reconsider things. At one time, the sun was commonly thought to revolve around the earth.

Gas pistons you can make a theoretical case for. More from an engineering perspective, than from a practical perspective, or a cost-effective perspective.

 

[black_powder_Rob]

"Justifying what I want to anybody is reason enough to have it. You might as well start questioners about if the cars people drive have to much HP or go to fast, maybe the size of their boat or if they should have one at all. Maybe your house has to many sq ft. Yea somebody on a gun forum asking why somebody needs a specific type or caliber and questioning the validity of its utility is over the top IMHO."

I second this, even though i don't have an AR and don't want one. People get what they like.

 

[Paladin_Hammer]

RugerOldArmy, earlier I asked about Bushmasters and failures to eject. You hear anything about this or is that just something that happens once in a blue moon? You seem like the kind of guy who'd know.

AND NO, I'M NOT SAYING AR-15'S CAN'T BE RELIABLE. I DIDN'T BRING THIS UP BECAUSE WITH PROPER MAINTENANCE THEY RUN FINE. I've got a friend in the Air-Force who wouldn't complain about his M-16A4's reliability when pressed by his Vietnam-vet father. Those who were going to jump on me like bubble wrap you know who you are.

 

[oldFred]

Here in Ohio no centerfire is legal for deer.

Benzy2, what do you use .22s? and Bows and Arrows?

 

[M&PVolk]

I never once personally attacked you. I never once degraded you. I simply called into question the wording and possible motive behind the original and follow up posts. For that, I get eternal condemnation, and I am the one who is arrogant?

If your intent was "research", then clarify your statement when it is called into question! Getting angry and condemning me to hell is not a rational response.

I could give you reasons why the AR is an excellent rifle and worthy of its cost all day long. I could give you a full list of its deficiencies as well. I will not play games with someone, though. I called your post as I saw it and got personally attacked instead of making an attempt at clarification.

 

[TexasRifleman]

Benzy2, what do you use .22s? and Bows and Arrows?

They are required to hunt deer with shotgun slugs, handguns, or blackpowder only in Ohio (firearms that is)

 

[Coal Dragger]

^ Well that and bows and arrows.

 

[M&PVolk]

oldFred wrote:

Benzy2, what do you use .22s? and Bows and Arrows?

My guess is they are limited to shotguns or bows, a sad thing for hunters used to being able to select amongst a wider variety of firearms.

 

[Brian Dale]

Folks, let's use TexasRifleman in Post #135 as an example of how good we look when we post a straight answer to a question, in simple, declarative sentences.

You all know better than to post some of the stuff that I just read on my screen.

If your Muse insists that you communicate hostile, argumentative, unflattering comments for someone else's edification, please let me remind you of THR's lovely Personal Messaging feature.

 

[yesit'sloaded]

The AR platform is cycled by a direct impingement of gas from the gas tube pushing on the bolt group and forcing it back against the recoil spring located in the stock (which is why ARs can't have a folding stock without being converted to a piston gun). To fail to cycle the bolt might not get enough gas from an underpowered round, get caught up on something such as a bad mag malfunction, or be so dirty as to not function properly. To fail to eject the ejector could be broken, the extractor could be broken ( it is a wearable part and should be replaced every few thousand rounds), or something else. The remedy to this is what the military (Army ROTC at least) calls SPORTS.

Slap the magazine to ensure it is seated.
Pull the charging handle to the rear.
Observe the chamber for ejection of the defective or jammed round.
Release the charging handle.
Tap the forward assist.
Squeeze the trigger.

Anything not fixed by this is serious and requires more remedial action and a possible field strip of the weapon.

 

[X-Rap]

I'm just guessing but I think PH is up a little past his bedtime after reading a little more of his history.
The internet is a wonderful forum for youngsters who in real life would likely be back handed and sent to their rooms if they spoke with such brash insolence.
I will not put you on an ignore list PH, I imagine you will be some commic relief for the future doldrums ahead.

 

[oldFred]

Thank you TexasRifleman, for not calling me stupid. I was so close to tears.

 

[Paladin_Hammer]

X-Rap, your in no position talk discuss someone's maturity. Or are you going to call me a IVAN again? Or maybe claim I called you a fascist? Or maybe you'll try and deny other the pleasure of asking questions to a wide audience by wasting their and others time by continuing to post in a thread where you have done NO GOOD for ANYONE involved?

Go to bed X-Rap. When you wake up in the morning maybe you'll be more humane to others, or maybe you'll figure out that I'm no anti-gun nut, I'm just a guy asking questions. I got them from good people, of which you aren't.

 

[TexasRifleman]

Thank you TexasRifleman, for not calling me stupid. I was so close to tears.

I learned this the hard way when I was once invited to hunt with friends outside of Columbus and I showed up with my very nice .30-06 rifle......

 

[Paladin_Hammer]

Thank you TexasRifleman, for not calling me stupid. I was so close to tears.

Posting here seems to have that effect on people. Or in some cases frustrate them until they lose it.

 

[Zak Smith]

Enough