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What's the deal with benchrest shooters?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by SnakeEater, Mar 31, 2005.

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  1. SnakeEater

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    I've been suppressing my anger for a while now but I can't take it anymore. Benchrest shooters, what's your problem? I know that I should judge everyone individually, and for the most part I do. I also suspect there are some fine people out there who shoot benchrest. My problem is the attitude these guys have at my local range. They truly think they are the superior shooters. I'm sick of the dismissive glances when they see my target, fired offhand, doesn't stack up to their little nice neat target. I'm sure some of you know what I mean. The local guys are the most non-friendly bunch I've ever been around. My experience shows that shooters in general are some of the friendliest people out there, but these guys trash that thought. Maybe somebody more articulate than me can better express this opinion. I just had to get it off my shoulders. Thank you.
     
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    In all due respect , understanding you are angry, I would consider editing your original post as to reflect better on you, THR and in the event Grammaw comes around - please. :)

    In anything there are those whom attitudes and behaviors reflect badly on the whole. I competed in Skeet for instance, there exists a razzing b/t Skeet shooters and Trap shooters...then again I was ashamed of some of MY fellow Skeeters and their behaviors.

    Benchrest folks - I respect them. I have been around them and caught some criticism, I told them I was not a benchrest shooter, had more trigger time with a shotgun - Ask if they had a minute to teach me, share something.

    One fellow did, at first he was a bit "rough", I mean he was having to take baby steps with me. I could understand his frustrations.

    Ended up he had been wanting to learn shotgunning...I said I would be happy to assist. He kept apologizing for being a bit critical and rough on our first meeting. I told him to shut up , don't aim but point and keep swinging...laughter erupted and we called it even.

    Turned out this fellow became a great shotgunner, and friend...even though we started out on the wrong foot.

    He lost 1st place on his first tourney in E class , took 3rd. " I aimed, I didn't swing, how come I dropped them birds".

    Dang benchrest folks can't move - skeeters can't stop moving...it is all good. Still don't know what to think of them trap folks tho'. :neener:
     
  3. No_Brakes23

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    I have been wondering what the deal is with shooting cliques, myself.

    Trap vs Skeet,
    Trap/Skeet vs the other range
    Benchresters vs Everyone
    Everyone vs BP

    What's the deal?

    I haven't personally seen much attitude by sport choice, but I hear it talked about a LOT. (At least at the SGVGC in Duarte.)
     
  4. RobW

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    EVERY club, and not only gun-clubs, cannot exist without these Nazis. There is ALWAYS someone that tells you what you HAVE to do or otherwise being expelled from their "brotherhood".

    I despise and ignore them.

    Just relax, get some real friends shooting with you, and the range-Nazis will leave you alone. Sometimes, a conversation with the club-manager or range-officer helps.

    Don't give up shooting because of annoying people. They will poisoning themselves with their anger! :)
     
  5. sm

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    Understand I have friends that shoot different sports than I did/ do.
    I have participated in some other disciplines over the years.

    I have shot trap, 5 stand, Sporting clays , Live Pigeon and such besides Skeet. Used to competed using rifles <gasp> back when the earth was flat. Done a bit of various handgunning too...

    Best I can figure it Trap folks are jealous we Skeeters can do it 25 times in a row in 8 different positions. :D

    Skeeters are not afraid to face their evil clay opponent either [ station 8] :uhoh: :eek: :neener:

    3...2...1...about time for Trapper, Dave Mc to respond now. :D

    I'm gonna have fun , I'm going to pass forward what I can,and humbly accept anything passed forward to me.

    There is more to responsible firearm ownership - than firearms.

    Might be drinking a coke, eating a candy bar talking to a person that does not shoot what you do...needs an address for a CongressCRitter instead. ;)
     
  6. P95Carry

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    Sadly - ''mine is better than yours'' - or some variation on that theme always seems to be in evidence, to some degree.

    My largest club, like some others, is very shotgun oriented - which is fine - lot of skeet and sporting clay shooters in particular. They do tho at times seem to forget there are other disciplines and can be heard to complain when parts of the annual schedule they consider should be theirs, are given over to ''non-clay busting''.

    Same sadly applies with some of those who shoot CBA - they too think the club revolves around them. Guess it'll happen about anywhere, where not all folks shoot same stuff.

    Glad to say tho - the guys I shoot with in IDPA, and most of the casual shooters I find on the other ranges in the club, rifle and pistol - are for most part fine - the types of folks we all enjoy being around.

    The benchrest shooters can, in worst cases, probably project the worst signs of ''superiority'' - usually too I think that gets directed towards the younger shooters. Great pity. What they do tho is a very concentration-intensive deal and I do know that on occasions they do have something to genuinely moan about - instance when ill mannered goons turn up and without any thought, go blasting everything in sight! And they were there first.

    Steve's mention of showing some interest can on occasions be a good way to go - and many benchies will enjoy discussing loads and finer points of rifle bedding etc.

    However - there will sadly always be those who are convinced thay have special genes ... and will not want to ''soil'' themselves, conversing with ''underlings'' ... sad fact but true at times. Only way to cope is probably to ignore and do best possible to get on with what is your bag. That gets harder tho when bad manners are involved and then it is hard as heck not to want to reply in kind!
     
  7. Rexrider

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    I understand where you are coming from but it really is not something to get that angry about unless someone is actively interfering with your shooting.

    Wherever I go to shoot, be it alone at the range or with friends out to the desert, I shoot for me. I don't try to beat someone else's target, I worry about my own.

    I got that look you are talking about last time I was at the rifle range. I had my Marlin 1894 and was shooting offhand at 50 yds to try out some new ammo. I saw the person give me the look. His rifle was never lifted from bench the whole time. I was having a good old time working the Marlin. When the range went cold and we walked out to the targets he took a good look at mine. Oh well. I had all the holes inside the black and was starting to do a good job of eating out the center of the paper. Not too bad for off hand as far as I am concerned. And that is all I am concerned about.....my target.

    For me, as long as I am not acting in an unsafe manner or interfering with anyone else, I don't give a rat's bottom what anyone thinks about my shooting style.

    So...
    Take a deep breath, and relax. Go have fun with what you are doing and never mind those "looks". Just let them do their thing and you do yours.

    On a side note....
    Heaven forbid, if the Marlin would ever have to be used in a SD/HD situation, it is a fair bet I would not have a bench to sit down to. That is why I practice offhand with all my firearms. Not to mention I have more fun that way.

    Cheers
     
  8. saltydog

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    I don't see what the big deal is as gun owners have always been at odds with each other, even before I was born. Some voted for Clinton. Some voted for Kerry. Some voted for Al Gore. Some supported the assault weapon ban. Some think that no one should own automatic weapons. I have heard some of this garbage at my local range. :barf:
     
  9. itgoesboom

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    I don't understand this either.

    To me, all guns are cool. :D

    BTW P95, I am still counting on you to organize that shooting supply part of the Baby Shower... ;)

    I.G.B.
     
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    Yeah right!! :p :D

    I am (in blood type terms) what is known as ''universal recipient'' - no good as a donor! LOL :D
     
  11. Joey2

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    We have one, only one, thank God. My opinion is that bench rest shooters are the lest skilled marksmen.

    They have to have (to be) planted on a bench with their weapon supported with the bench rest vise. They have to wiggle this way then wiggle that way they he may shoot or he may take the bolt out and run another patch through the barrel. :rolleyes:

    Our man does not do well at all when we fire matches.
     
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  12. MikeIsaj

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    Bench shooting is not for me but, he's not using my gun, target or bullets so it's none of my business.

    I go to the range to enjoy myself and improve my skills. Everyone shoots for their own reasons. As long as someone is not unsafe around me, it's not my business. Lighten up and as others have noted you may just make a new friend.
     
  13. Rimmer

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    This post struck home with me but for the exact opposite reason. At my Club everyone is into position shooting and I get the cold shoulder and critical comments cause I use a bench.
    We have a nice range for rifle with target positions at 25, 50, 100 and 200yds. 16 bench's and its under roof. (someone must have liked it once upon a time)

    The upshot is this, I've purchased a rifle to shoot position match's and several of my new buddy's have built bench guns. Its taken 2 years but I think we finally can respect each others passion and the difficulty involved in either.
     
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    BR shooters have developed some of the tech and new materials that we "normal" shooters benefit from today. I never though I'd be the one standing up for them. :neener:

    Guess what, we're all gun owners. That puts us all in the sights of the antis. The more they can divide us, the easier we'll be to beat.
     
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    Paging bogie!

    Isn't it great there are so many different aspects to shooting? Makes it much more interesting.
     
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    Bogie is off in TN or somewhere taking five grand from some loudmouth. He'll be back soon though.

    :D
     
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    Eh, I'll never be a benchrest shooter. I've seen them give my targets nasty looks, I give their 'setups' odd looks. I trained a specific way, for a specific style of shooting. I prefer shooting from the prone, and that's how I am most accurate.

    I suppose I could shrink my groupings if I bought all the equipment and accessories that benchresters typically use. To me, there are more important aspects than mere accuracy. To each their own.
     
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    As a range safety officer at Chabot I never peceived attitude on the part of bench rest shooters. I suppose that they might have an attitude, though as it is common for people to get into "things" and try to out buy the Joneses and take status from the gear. Same thing happens with bicyclists and automobile/SUV owners.

    Doesn't bother me--I am not interested in the latest and greatest gear. Just not my sport. In fact, gear is just not generally interesting, but rather peoples' skills.
     
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    Don't get mad - get glad.

    Benchrest is a relaxing sport, shooting small groups is fun, combines many shooting disciplines.

    I like to reload and that's a large part of benchrest shooting.

    Shooting accurately at long ranges [600 yards +] doping the wind, ranging estimates, trigger control, breathing techniques, load development, + other considerations make benchrest shooting a premier game for the serious rifle shooter.

    12-34hom
     
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    Roger that! I don't have the patience for BR but certainly respect those who like to make one ragged little hole from a lot of bullets. I'm just thrilled to shoot 1 moa with my M1A from the sandbags.

    But this thread does bring to mind one of the major problems of the shooting sports today . . . a large percentage of shooters have the attitude that their's is the only discipline worth preserving. That's why it's so easy for the grabbers to ban certain un-PC firearms, like EBR's, .50 BMG rifles, MG's, etc. If we don't hang together, we're gonna hang separately. Look at England and Australia.
     
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    Exactly. We are ALL shooters and should get rid of the cliqueishness that does exist.

    Once upon a time, I quit a gun club after one visit because I was told, straight up, by the old guys that were all the club officers, that they didn't want a lot of young guys with "military" rifles (buddy and I showed up with AR-15s, M9s and 1911s) or doing "combat shooting." Excellent range facilities, bunch of dinosaurs who believed the rifle range was only for benchrest shooting or sighting in one's M-700 or Model 70 and the pistol range was only for bullseye style shooting. Anyway, I suspect that once all the old guys died off, this range went kaput since they really didn't want any new members, especially, God forbid, anyone interested in other shooting disciplines.

    I have also seen gun clubs that really don't seem all too keen to recruit young shooters and look askance at those under the age of 30. And I know we've all seen the condescending looks someone gets when he shows up at the club with a Remington 870 Express and all the old guys are standing around with their $2500 shotguns ... We absolutely have to get more tolerant of all the different shooting disciplines and for sure, we need to get better at recruiting new shooters, regardless of their background and the types of guns or shooting they initially prefer.
     
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    I shoot .22 benchrest matches in the summer. My scores keep me from feeling too superior! I think the trigger control needed to shoot even a half way decent benchrest score has helped me in other types of shooting too.

    I also shoot offhand with target and deer rifles, practice with a variety of handguns, and even shoot burp guns occasionally. My son is interested in shotgun shooting, so I'll probably start shooting trap or skeet with him this summer. As long as it's burning powder I can have a good time.

    As long as no one screws up on safety, I'm the soul of nice.
     
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    My experience is similar to many people I think. I've had people scoff at me for shooting a 9mm, then go and exhibit some of the hardest flinches I've ever seen and chalk it up to "usin' a man's gun!" At the club I shoot rifles at, I've met some of the best people ever, and I can usually size them up immediately by how they introduce themselves. I am not a BR shooter by any means, yet I've still had people scowl at me while using sandbags after they had to dig behind their seats for jackets, blankets, or sleeping bags to rest their gun on to sight in their deer rifle. Skeet people will put down trap shooters, sporting clay folks will look down on skeet shooters, and people in limited 10 look occasionally think less of production class shooters (such as myself)
     
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    Br.....

    life is suffering, the root of all suffering is desire..... calm the inner child, associate not with those who need to reduce your efforts. be not the one who needs their association. care not...turn within for the answer..... hey! you might not be articulate, but you CAN SPELL!!!! that in itself is a leg up(did you ast them bench-guys to spel???) :cool:
     
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    As a range safety officer at Chabot I never peceived attitude on the part of bench rest shooters. I suppose that they might have an attitude, though as it is common for people to get into "things" and try to out buy the Joneses and take status from the gear. Same thing happens with bicyclists and automobile/SUV owners.
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    Guy, I've shot a lot at Chabot, and also have never seen any of that myself on the ranges. although most of the time I'm there I do the 3 gun and PPC matches.
     
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