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Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Jimbo80, Nov 20, 2020.

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  1. Jimbo80

    Jimbo80 Member

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    The amount of first time gun buyers whose intro to firearms is a CWP class amazes me. Ive watched hundreds of people start to carry before they've shot a box of ammo! I don't get it.
     
  2. Robert

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    There are lots of long time gun owners that carry and yet don't seem to think training is all that important.
     
  3. bdickens

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    So?
     
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    Freedom is a thing (for now)
     
  5. aarondhgraham

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    At least they are taking a class.

    People have to start somewhere,,,
    Don't they?

    Aarond

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  6. Zendude

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    It doesn’t sound like the best idea to carry a gun if you’ve never fired the gun, and especially if you’ve never fired any gun. But, people will do what they do.
     
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  7. AlexanderA

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    It makes sense if you think of carrying mostly as a psychological crutch. I think that's precisely what's motivating these newcomers to the gun world. They need an outlet for their fear.
     
  8. Drifter27

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    I wish more people would.

    Can safely and legally carry a handgun, can hit a target and can understand the consequences of hitting that target, what else do you want from them?
     
  9. Zendude

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    Good point. It’s sort of like feeling safer because of having a gun vs actually using the gun.
     
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  10. TimRB

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    Your point is well taken, but remember that many thousands of soldiers and Marines fired a gun for the first time in their lives during basic training. I suspect that quite a few police officers, too, got their introduction to firearms at the police academy. On the other hand, I have known lifelong shooters who were downright dangerous with a gun, both in their accuracy and general gun-handling. Go figure.

    Tim
     
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  11. Driftertank

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    I know a fella who grew up in Montana, hunted from the time he could shoot a rifle, owned more guns than i probably ever will. In his 70s now.

    Was demonstrating his wife's new gun one day, checked the chamber by racking the slide without dropping the mag. A moment later, he killed a poor defenseless piano in his living room. His wife was less than happy.
     
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    IMO the assumption that guns are easy to use and a surefire (pun intended) way to use force is from movies. Anyone spontaneously picking up a gun in an emergency is portrayed relatively proficient with it right off the bat. On the other hand characters who are properly prepared often fail in even the most trivial situations using theirs.

    It's like Star Farce... sorry, Wars, these days. A character with unexplained "talent" suddenly kicks butt left and right whereas back in the 70's a hero needed extensive training to be less than useless.

    People have bought into that delusion.

    When I started to carry in 1990 I felt slightly uncomfortable even though I had practised IPSC 10k+ shots a year for quite a while and already had military training. I thought I needed more training (which escalated to Krav Maga, including extensive edged, blunt weapon and firearm training over the years) and NEVER had a delusion I'd be good enough as I was. Which saved my life in 1996 against an armed assailant, which was the biggest eye-opener of them all. I found out that when s really hits the f you go on autopilot and fall back to the training you have. You don't think about the situation, you just assess it superficially in seconds and react.

    I really hope people realize that and do something about it before just holstering a gun and believing it's some kind of a talisman for all situations they might encounter.
     
  13. Jimbo80

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    I am not questioning 2A rights. Heck, I'm the guy trying to sell classes and guns. It's the mind set that I'm curious about. Why would an adult who has never held a gun get a concealed carry permit as an intro to guns?

    Anyone around here get a carry permit before they started shooting? If so I assume by your presence here you've continued. What has your gun experience been like since?
     
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  14. BreechFace

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    I think a lot of this is given the state of society today. Many people never thought they would own a gun and with the way things are going and going fast, I'm sure people just want to make sure they get a CCW and worry about gaining proficiency later. And I'm sure there are some that will get the CCW and never fire another shot for years, such is the way non-gun peoples response to a societal threat that pushes them into firearm ownership.
     
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    The first handguns I ever shot were at the range after the required NRA pistol permit class five years ago. I qualified with a Ruger GP100 shooting 38 spl and a 22 semi auto. I'd owned long guns since I was in my teens and shot very well that day. My state requires permits for anything gun related Including buying ammo. The pistol permit(CC) covers it all and is no harder to get. My original reason for getting my permit was to be able to legally own and use a handgun a deceased family member left behind. I joined an indoor range and shot thousands of rounds the first year. After some training and becoming proficient, I started carrying. That was five years ago and now own two semi autos and eleven revolvers which all get shot regularly. I joined this forum and others to learn from you more experienced shooters. BTW, I got a late start at 65 but I'm getting up to speed.
     
  16. brasscollector

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    Look at it this way. They're getting some training before firing off their first rounds too, probably a good thing overall. Not everyone "grew up" around firearms.
     
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    What's up with people not minding their own business is what I want to know.
     
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    They have to start somewhere. I for one am glad more folks are armed. And hopefully they will practice and take a class or two.
     
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    These new folks are SCARED, and fear sells and makes folks do crazy things - the recent TP shortage is a great example.
     
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    Folks are hoarding the wrong thing. Cant eat TP. Can use other household goods for TP in a pinch.
     
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    I never carried conceal until I retired from the military. I grew up around guns all my life but never felt the need while I was strong and young.
    I was a pugilist and was a participant in the golden gloves so I was confident I could take care of myself. Fast forward a few decades and you may need a tool to equalize the field, so now I carry one. For those of you who are young and starting a new chapter in your life, self defense classes like boxing, martial arts and other types are something everyone should consider. Not all problem solving situations need to involve a lethal response.
     
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    I don't understand why some of you would profess to be surprised or amazed ... in our country, we have a long-standing tradition of folks who buy guns, stick them in a closet, on a shelf, in a drawer or in the nightstand ... and never, ever shoot them.

    Shouldn't come as a startling revelation that people are now carrying handguns they've never even fired.

    I bought a unfired S&W Model 15 once -- it'd been purchased brand-new in the late '70s, placed in a drawer until the early 2000s when I bought it from the son of the woman who'd originally purchased it -- still with the hang-tag on the trigger guard.

    Long history of folks in this country of folks buying guns and never shooting them. One of my grandfathers, a Finnish immigrant, owned multiple handguns he'd never ever fired -- yet kept them loaded in his house for "home defense." He at least took his rifles out to the range every year to sight them in before whitetail season. He shot his last buck at age 83.
     
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    When I took my(mostly worthless, but that's another thread topic) CCWP class 3 years ago, among the 30 of us, 'instructor' asked who now owned a gun...about 30% didn't...seemed like the first step was this class and the next step was getting the gun..

    Today, lots of guns sold, many, many sit in a drawer with that one box of ammo, unshot..and will eventually end up on the FS/consignment lists.
    All true, but 'training' is the operative word. Some CCWP classes ARE great training, but a lot(like mine) was pretty much a waste of time and $65....
     
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  24. Elkins45

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    I bought a S&W 629-1 at a pawn shop a few years ago. I doubt it had seen more than a single cylinder of ammo.

    Owning guns and shooting guns are apparently two different things. When my grandmother died we found a S&W model 60 wrapped in a cloth under her couch. I guarantee that gun had never been fired.

    I guess you don’t need a lot of practice to shoot someone who’s on top of you.
     
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  25. Sovblocgunfan

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    I watched an instructor friend struggle with this very thing. He never sold carry permit qualification. Only pistol training. He came to the realization that most people in his area didn’t want training beyond a basic “this is a gun” class, or didn’t place the same monetary value on it-they thought it should be cheap/given away/fire-sale priced.

    A few did actually seek him out after they had their licenses for additional training. They were mostly novice-level women, which was absolutely fantastic.
     
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