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What's what in the world of accurate 22's

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by R.W.Dale, Dec 14, 2012.

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  1. R.W.Dale

    R.W.Dale Member

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    Pondering spending my Xmas bonus on a nice heavy barreled 22 for high accuracy shooting and possibly smallbore shillouette. Turns out I've been kinda out of the rimfire loop for awhile so please chime in on what's hot and what's not in the world of accurate 22's avalible in 2012




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    You can spend big bucks searching for accuracy but that may not be necessary. A couple of buds and my self bought CZ 452 Americans. They are super accurate I will put mine up against any high dollar gun. Every Friday some of us meet at the range for an informal shooting session. We set up 223 and 30 cal rifle brass on top of shotgun shells on the hundred yard berm and shoot off the brass from shooting benches. My rifle has a 6-18x 50 mm scope and I can easily see the brass at 100 yds. It is still a challenge when the breeze is up or the thermals are strong. It is important to find what ammo works best in your rifle.
     
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    My typical weekend enjoyment is loosing quarters to old men with Tikka's and Sako's...

    I shoot a pretty sweet Savage Mark II but these guys with their one holers lighten my pockets every weekend.
     
  5. Cee Zee

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    I have a CZ 453 and a Savage MkIIBTV. The Savage is more accurate but not by much. But rifles from companies like Sako, Cooper, Kimber, Anschutz, and all the classic bench rest rifles will walk off and leave a CZ. You can get great groups from a CZ or a Savage but consistency is the name of the game. That's why you almost always see Anschutz rifles in Olympic type shooting events. It has to be a good model (they make some that aren't much better than a CZ but even those are better) like a 54 series. Those rifles are much more accurate than a CZ. Sako makes incredibly accurate rifles too. Trust me I've shot against them and lost many times with my Savage and that Savage shoots really well actually. I have won my share of contests with the Savage. In fact I won about 12 out of the last 15 contests I shot in but there were no really great rifles in those contests. When my friend shows up with his Sako I know I might as well not even bother to shoot.

    Those rifles certainly aren't cheap though. Still if you want the very best I'd get either a Sako or an Anschutz. A really good one will be at least $1500 and the best will run $3000 or more.

    BTW that's off the shelf rifles I'm talking about. The bench rest rifles people use will shoot far better but they aren't made for plinking or hunting or carrying around for any reason. They will weigh 15 lbs. or more and they will be setup to be shot from a rest. Those are the absolute best shooters but they are limited in what they can do. Still names like Remington (with the 40X), Turbo, Hall, etc. are what the bench rest crowd starts with to build a rifle. But that will be just the action. The trigger, barrel, stock, sights, etc. will all be aftermarket parts. And it takes a truly gifted gunsmith to build a rifle of that type. It's not just a matter of slapping the parts together. For one thing everything has to be aligned perfectly. The bolt has to be exactly square with the barrel and the firing pin has to strike at just the right time and at just the right spot, etc.. There are many things that go into building a true world class rifle. Most of the top shooters try to get a rifle built by one person actually. I nearly bought one built by him myself at one time. But by the time I got the money the rifle was gone. Oh well. I bought another great rifle instead that is probably more valuable to me anyway. Putting tiny holes in paper is fun but it has a very limited use in the real world. I bought a medium-long range centerfire rifle that will make tiny groups at 500 yards instead of buying that BR rifle. I'm sure the coyotes didn't like how that worked out. And I just moved into a target rich environment too. :)

    It should be pointed out that getting the most out of a rifle has a lot to do with that nut behind the stock. It takes a lot of boxes of ammo to learn how to get the most from your weapon. And the law of diminishing returns certainly comes into play. You can buy a .3", 50 yard group size rifle for maybe $350 (Savage) or you can buy a .15" rifle at the same distance for $1500. That's a lot more money for a little more accuracy. And until you learn to shoot your rifle at near it's limit you won't even notice the difference.
     
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    All depends upon the size of your bonus. Under 1K I'd go for a CZ, 2 or 3 K, maybe an Anschutz. Over 10K, custom BR rifle with some Zeiss glass. Actually, the CZ will give you great performance, good bang for the buck. If I received a 20K bonus I'd get the CZ and use the rest in retirement funding.
     
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    If you seriously plan on competing in small bore silhouette, spend some time going over the rules of the game and let that guide your decision to buy.

    Most forms of competition will have some stipulations about the configuration of a gun, and the last thing you want to do is to blow a chunk of serious money on a rifle that may not be allowed in official competition.
     
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    +1 on what Justin said.
    There are a myraid of good accurate .22s on the market now, choose the one that fits you and the parameters of the type of shooting you intend to do.
     
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    Coming from (long ago that is) a 3 position ISU background, I would want to get something that would match with my target air rifle shown above (Beeman 400).

    I have toyed with getting a real target 22, and the 1903 Anschutz would be my choice right now. They are running around $1500 the last time I looked at the CMP store.
     
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    The world's most accurate .22 is always the one shot by whoever just beat me. :)
     
  12. R.W.Dale

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    I guess I should have been more specific instead of posting before I go to bed at 4am

    I'm looking more at consumer grade guns lets say under $500 for the bare rifle.

    I used to shoot in small bore fairly competitively with a cz ultra lux trainer (10years ago) the class I have the most fun in shoots larger targets than pure NRA smallbore. With a youngin into shooting I figure us shooting some matches will be right up his alley. However this 22 will be for me mostly for informal bench shooting. I prefer something more sporter weight with sights for the smallbore matches but I do want a heavy accurate 22 in reserve for certain matches.

    Back when I was last into rimfires the cz452's were where it was at. But even a good shooting Marlin 60 could keep up if the shooter had their game on that day. I just always liked to shoot matches for fun and not take em too seriously lots of times id shoot something weird just to be fun like a m1969 trainer.

    Anyways I digress. So the new savage mark series are shooting pretty good nowadays huh?




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    Gregaw,

    I know that feeling. I used to get all upset when the 300s's would beat my 400 until I won the next shoot. Then I would congratulate myself for buying the 400 until the next time I lost to a 300s.

    It was a never ending cycle.
     
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    my main match rifle is a Savage Mk2 FTV....its had some work done to it (aftermarket stock, trigger job, lapped barrel, glass and pillar bedded).....a lot of work admittedly, but itll hold its own against just about any rifle out there and itll hold the 10 ring on the A-25 target with ease

    i think my total investment into the rifle including optics comes to under $1,000.
     
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    I just stumbled on the savage fv-sr and I'm really liking what I see.






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    If you ever want to get into silhouette, you'll need to get a rifle that matches the rules for that game.

    CZ are very nice build quality, but accuracy on average is slightly behind a Savage (or so it seems). Savages feel like they were built from spare parts from the local hardware store, but shoot well.

    With $1500, I'd get an Anschutz for sure. I've owned a 3-position 1813 in the past and it really set an insanely high bar for accuracy.

    Look into a Savage FV-SR next for myself. The 16" barrel is optimum for velocity out of a 22lr, and you can replace the stock with a Boyds Tacticool for $100 +$40 in parts from Savage.
     
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    We have no rifle restrictions for our local club matches other than no magnums or 17's




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    Like any accuracy game there are levels. If you can afford an Anschutz start there. They have lots of choices, stock configurations. If the Annie is too steep to start off with try CZ, mine are way more accurate than I am.

    CZ 452 this is the heavy barrel called the Varmint, this one is in a factory TH stock. I believe you can get a Klinsky stock for these.

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    The CZ family includes the BRNO. These can be challenging to find, because the last ones were made 30 years ago but worth the effort.

    Brno #1 barreled action made in mid 1940's mated with a Klinsky stock.
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    Check out rimfirecentral.com
     
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    Sounds like "Ann, shoots."

    Nuff said.

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    Top off the shelf accuracy in a sporter, puts an Anschutz 54 actioned sporter at the top, but NULA is also at the top. Melvin makes pretty much every part except the bbl. and the trigger. (the pictured one had the safety removed)

    Also, the NULA is the only LH sporter in this class...

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    The NULA sporters will shoot 2/10" groups at 50 yards... ALSO the safety isn't azzbackwards like the CZ's!!

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    +1 on the cz452 varmint, does everything well. Bit on the heavy side, but compact enough without feeling toy sized.
     
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    Cee Zee said it all & then some.:) Cliff
     
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    The nice thing about shooting in the small bore "silly-wets" event is that the targets aren't all THAT small.... although they sure look that way when looking down a shakey scope picture... :D

    Although your own club doesn't follow the official rules it would be worthwhile reading them to ensure that your gun of choice fits in with the rules just in case you want to go further with this style of competition. It would be a shame to get all comfy with a given rifle only to find out that it's only useable in your club events and no where else for the properly sanctioned matches.

    There's also likely a happy medium for the weight that you'll want to shoot with. I know a little added mass aids in stability. But most of the bull barrel rifles I've held get DARN muzzle heavy feeling in a hurry. And that leads to my support arm beginning to shake a little. And that leads to making it hard to hit the darn target. So like with most things in life there is likely a happy medium that will serve you better if this is the key event that you wish to persue.

    In fact I can't help but think that a nice Biathalon style rifle with a scope would be a nice option for small bore sillhouette events if they are legal within those rules.
     
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    Remington Model 41 Targetmaster is in my experience the most accurate 22 ever made. They were only built from 1936-1939, so finding a good one on GB is a bit of a trick, but they are cheap going for about $250.

    Another good one is the Henry Goldenboy 22WMR, its a heavy gun and the sights take some getting used to, but the bullet always goes where that barrel is pointing.

    My final one is a Model 74 Winchester. I have not personally shot this one, but my Grandfather set it up with a 4x scope 50 years ago and last year he was still shooting the O out of a 6oz glass Coke bottle at 100yds.

    I personally wouldn't buy any of the new 22's on the market. With the exception of my Henry, they all feel like toys in comparison to my two old 22's (1936 for my Model 41 and 1954 for my Model 74).
     
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    I used to own a mossberg m44 with a set of Lyman sights that was delightfully accurate but I just couldn't shoot it as well offhand as I could a 452 trainer.

    I thought about a 22lr barrel for my encore wich would give the "real gun" feel but alas TC doesn't make em anymore.

    I think the 16" bull bbl on that savage will strike a happy medium between muzzle heavy and "toy" bench fun shooting and sillouette especially after I put it in some wild colored laminated thumbhole stock




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