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What's what in the world of accurate 22's

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by R.W.Dale, Dec 14, 2012.

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  1. Clark

    Clark Member

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    I took a Rem 510 22LR bolt action to the range after drilling and tapping.
    It was a beat up old used $60 rifle and a beat up old used $20 B&L 2.5x8 scope. The ammo was Win Power Point.

    This target is 5 shots at 50 yards.
    It looks really good until I tell you that there were 5 groups that target, and the other 4 groups were ~ 1".
    I was having problems with parallax, and I think my errors cancelled five times. Things happen.

    Bart Bobbitt has been warning for decades about not taking a single 5 shot group as meaning much. He has shot a 3.25" 20 shot group at 600y, so easy for him to say. He calls groups like mine a "wallet group".
    Psychologically and emotionally, I need my wallet group.
     

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  2. MrBorland

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    My vote would be for the CZ trainer - built on the fantastic 452 action with excellent irons sights, put a good military style sling, a decent scope with QR rings, and YoDave trigger kit on it, and you've got a great all-around versatile and accurate .22LR.

    Use the scope, or quickly remove it with the QR rings, and use the irons, or a BRNO front/rear aperture set, which can be installed in about a minute. Turns it into a dandy target rifle. Finally, Manners makes a tactical trainer stock for the 452 when it's time to hot rod the rifle even further.
     
  3. Captcurt

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    Now you are back in the CZ price range. I have owned a Winchester 52B that would chew out a 10 shot hole at 50 yards that you could cover with a dime. My CZ 452 will do it at half price. We shot it against a Ruger 10/22 bull barrel and a Kimber and it held it's own with them. I have had the 452 in 17 Mach ll, 22lr, and 22 mag and all of them shot very well.

    The Savage is a lot of gun for the money but they do not have the nice finish or wood like the CZ 's.
     
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  4. ole farmerbuck

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    I got my Savage Mark11BV out today and shot it. Nice gun. I've had it for almost a year but have only shot it about 20 rounds. I see I paid $340.00 for it. Worth looking at I think. Weather permitting,I'll try some different types of ammo in it tomorrow.
     
  5. Coal Dragger

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    I greatly enjoy my Cooper M57 and it is exquisitely accurate even with hunting ammo, but it was not inexpensive by any stretch of the imagination.
     
  6. sixgunner455

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    My FV is really quite a good rifle, and was very reasonably priced. I put Burris rings on it, and a Bushnell scope I had already. The Bushnell scope isn't the best, but it'll do till I get around to worrying about buying a nice scope. Probably about the same time I decide to worry about doing something about the stock. Shoots pretty good as it is.

    I can only think that the FV-SR will be great, too. I was debating between an FV, FVT, FV-SR, and the CZ Ultra Lux - the Ultra Lux was just too nice and balanced, and I still think about getting one, but that really long barrel seems a bit awkward. I'm not sure it would fit in my safe! :D

    When I ordered my rifle, there weren't any FV-SR in stock. If you've found one and like it, I'd just get that.
     
  7. trueg50

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    Like I said, check on that Polish Wifama kbks78 before its gone!

    -Sub $500 price point ($275 shipped)
    -25" heavy barrel
    -Easily removable sights (the oversized knobs on the sides of the sights)
    -Adjustable trigger (from "Hunting safe" to "hair target" and below)
    -Superb quality wood.

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  8. AABEN

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    Try a Savage 22
     
  9. ole farmerbuck

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    Well I shot my Savage MK11BV with Federal gold medal and Wolf Match Extra and all I can say is I should have done this a long time ago! Some one hole five shot groups with both. The Winchester and Eley werent bad but not good.
     
  10. d2wing

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    I was looking at some targets from past sessions and I happened across a 100 yard target I shot at using bulk ammo just for fun. 1 group was 1 1/2 inches, the other smaller, I don't recall xactly the measurement but it was with a CZ 452 UL.
    I have an American that is not as good, and a Ruger with a heavy barrel a little tuning that is a little behind the American. A buddy has a Savage that shoots good too. It might come down to individual rifle and shooter as to which shoots best. My money would be on a CZ, but you could be as well off with a Savage or Marlin.
     
  11. R.W.Dale

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    After a day of 22 shooting solo and with the kids with firearms ranging from a Baikal combination gun to a 15/22

    I've decided to go snag the savage. I have a hole in my collection for a precision bolt action 22 with a scope that the savage will fill nicely.
     
  12. ole farmerbuck

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    I think you did fine. Enjoy it and keep us informed.
     
  13. Mr.Revolverguy

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    Wifama 78's are awesome military trainers and one hole shooters but it is hard to get magazines as well as any parts if you break anything.

    I hate answering these sort of questions because it typically only brings about so many other questions.Leaving out what's your purpose and intent of use and all the other questions most have already brought up, I believe the most import is to get something you like, will enjoy and buy the best ammo you can for it. Ammo being the key ingredient in the recipe of accurate 22.

    Recently I took a custom 22 I just built and paired it with a CZ452 and a Savage Mark II TR and shot them at 50 yards from sand bag rest and at 100 yards from a sand bag rest. I had on hand boxes upon boxes of different ammo from premium eley ammo costing $25 bucks for one box to bulk ammo.

    50 Yard review
    http://www.dayattherange.com/?p=2384

    100 Yard Review
    http://www.dayattherange.com/?p=2554

    Again I think there are a number of great shooters out of the box, I also believe you can get one out of the box that doesn't shoot that well and bed the action lighten the trigger etc etc to make it shoot well but it won't do that until you find the ammo it likes.
     
  14. Cee Zee

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    I pretty much followed the path described in post #47 and it worked out quite well for me. I bought a "second" Boyd's stock from eBay and put it on my Savage MkIIFV. It was the same thumbhole stock Savage puts on their BTV models. The reason the stock was a second was purely cosmetic and I'd bet 99.9% of people would never guess why it was a second. It functions perfectly.

    I pillar bedded the action and made sure my barrel was floated. I also took the time to learn the best torque settings for my rifle and the order I should take in tightening the action screws. I spent lots of time and money finding the best ammo for the rifle and worked out all the minor issues that can cause accuracy problems (like a scope that doesn't hold zero well). Now I have a rifle that is still essentially a stock rifle (only some pillar bedding keeps it from being a bone stock BTV) that shoots very accurately for a rifle in it's price range. And it does shoot better than my CZ. I also went through all the stuff needed to make that CZ as accurate as possible. But still the Savage is more accurate. I certainly don't make any claims about any rifles you might buy. Every rifle is different. Even the very best gun builders will tell you that you can't make them all work perfect or even completely consistent.

    But I do think you will do very well with the Savage you chose to buy. There are a lot of positive reviews of Savage rifles in the past several years. They make great stuff for the most part. Of course there's always that chance you'll get lemon. Firearms are funny that way.
     
  15. R.W.Dale

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    Here it is $209 + three boxes of ammunition.

    I left the gun shop and went straight to the range. Conditions for rimfire shooting was pretty poor. I shot several groups with several loads ranging from .55" with cci stingers to over 2" with cci quiet22. Not blow me away accurate but definitely a good start on a new unseasoned bbl on a windy day using a craptastic centerpoint scope I neither trust nor have any idea where I got it.

    Most groups hovered in the 1" range, loads tested included federal match, cci stinger, cci quiet, win 525rd bulk and blazer.

    I really like the short barrel and oversized bolt knob. The scope mount is also of a very good quality and looks a lot like an EGW marked unit. The stock is pretty cheesey and will get replaced first followed by the wal mart grade optic.

    Thus far I'm pretty optimistic about my latest purchase




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  16. CraigC
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    That's a really neat model. There's one at a local shop that's more than a little tempting. That does indeed look like the EGW mount. I've got the 20MOA version on mine.
     
  17. Mr.Revolverguy

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    By the way if you have access to used and older models don't overlook them just do your research. This is a Marlin Model 81DL from 1949 According to my grandfathers receipt, which I had to make copies of because the ink is fading fast :) It has a cheap Tasco scope not sure of the history of it. What I like most about this one is it is my grandfathers and at the age of 8 he taught me how to shoot my first rifle and it is still going today and it doesn't require high dollar target ammo. As a matter of fact Eley, SK, Wolf Target it shoots all over the place. But load it up with some American Eagle 40gr red box and it does well.

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    5 Shots at 50 Yards from sandbag rest on bench, the one flyer is me I am sure after all these years the trigger is still really stiff and requires 6pounds to pull.
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  18. ole farmerbuck

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    Good shootin Mr. Rev guy!
     
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    Congrats on the new rifle! I was looking into one of those myself a couple months back. :cool:
     
  20. bamajoey

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    I was looking several years back and decided on a CZ452 American.
    I replaced the stock, and couldn't be happier.

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    Best set of targets to date. (each target is 5 shots)

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  21. Cee Zee

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    Careful guys. People are going to start saying things about your integrity. ;) Nice shooting even if some say it's impossible.
     
  22. sixgunner455

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    An accurate .22 rifle is one of the joys in life.
     
  23. BCRider

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    I see that you jumped towards the model with the short 13 inch barrel. I have no idea what that one will do or if you "shot yourself in the foot" compared to a full length bull barrel version but it'll be fun to read about it one way or the other.

    I know for a fact that Savage's bull barrels can most certainly deliver the goods. The rest are a mystery as I haven't had the chance to personally shoot any of them.

    Well.... other than the Jr model single shot version. My club uses a couple of them for the smaller kids and I know from seeing the results from a few of the better small guys AND girls that the small Jr size Savages are no slouch. I've see a few targets where it was a either a "one small ragged hole" from 10 shots to something coming darn close to it. Nothing as awe inspiring as bamajoey's groups but good enough to know that the rifles are no slouch and the kids are using them well.
     
  24. sixgunner455

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    The FV-SR has a 16" threaded barrel. The regular FV has a 22" barrel.
     
  25. jodel112

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    t7024 you're dead right there pal, Cee Zee was spot on. I agree with everything he say's. That's the way it is.
     
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