I'm one of those that has just read and hasn't shot a 10mm, but my philosophy with pistols is that unless you need the extra penetration that greater power gives you, you should only accept an increase in recoil if it comes with an increase in caliber. Thus, I will take a .40 S&W over a 10mm any day, as my intended platform is an HD round, which will not involve shooting armored targets, bears, or people behind brick walls. So for me, the 10mm is a useless cartridge. For someone who has an application for the extra power and accuracy, I could see it being useful.
whats wrong with 10mm?
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Oddly enough most people seem to prefer the recoil the 10mm produces to the recoil a .40S&W produces. Especially Glockers, and especially when firing a round with .40S&W ballistics.(it's like firing a Cadillac with FBI type loads) Even with some very hot Swampfox ammo my G20SF is as easy to shoot as my 1911 with plan old 230 FMJ rounds. Maybe slightly more recoil, but it produces a very desirable/manageable type of recoil. More of a firm push that uses more of your elbows instead of a snappy jerk that likes to flip your wrists around.
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Only a couple of companies make a gun chambered in 10mm. Glock, for sure, makes two models and Colt did, not sure if they still do. That said 10mm is an excellent round, plenty of stopping power.
They can`t handle the 10mm !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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These are all pretty valid points. As for the firearm size a G29 is about as small a 10mm package as you can get if you want to CCW with it. I see no problems at all with using as such if you don't shoot 10mm in the upper end of loadings. I do, so I have a fairly hefty Witness that couldn't be a carry piece. In owning about all the calibers out there in the Semi World (as well as a .357) it is at the top of the food chain in the useable Semi World. Like stated up there you can go from 125gr to 230gr and from 850 FPS up to 1700FPS easily. I like the cartridge so much I'm looking for a 610 to sell my .357 for. Reason? Actually I can get cheaper 10mm ammo than the .357, more power and more bullet choices. Most of what I found only the 125gr moves out good in .357 but it is tough on the revolver and that is why most prefer the 158gr loads. In 10mm you can get 1500 FPS out of 150 + gr out of a revolver. Versatile!
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do you like paying $16.29/50 of WWB 9mm? Gimme a break.
9mm? Why would I be buying that sissy round?
I don't think it's a matter of being able to handle 10mm, because due to it's versatility it's still very capable and sometimes even preferable when downloaded...as in .40 S&W.
And has been pointed out above the recoil impulse is more unpleasant in the 40 with the 40 being a sharp snap in many pistols and loads, that's been my experience with the .40 and is probably due to the pressure curve of the high intensity .40. Most .40's are loaded hot, already on the edge of it's performance curve, while at .40 velocity's the 10mm is just beginning to purr.
In my opinion the main advantage the .40 has is the ability to be stuffed into a 9mm frame and offer double stack capacity...more bullets, better for the average Joe who can't hit a target and prays and sprays. Or for LE which has a valid reason for more capacity, I'm not nagging on capacity, it's just highly unlikely that as a civilian CCW holder or sporting enthusiast I'd ever need more then the 9 + 1 rounds my 1911 Dan Wesson CBOB holds.
And for obvious reasons the .40 is available in a wider variety of platforms as well as offering cheap low quality ammo being available at Wally World.
The 1911 CBOB carries very nicely by the way, both IWB or OWB.
I use very mild loads a 180 FMJ/Cast bullet doing 850-1000 for practice and general plinking, a 125-180 H.P. going from 1100-1600 fps for CCW and a 200 grain XTP/Hard Cast bullet doing 1150 fps for woods protection and I can do all this with a magazine change.
It will go faster/slower if I wanted to develop the loads for it which is pretty simple to do, loading data abounds for the 10mm, if I were to go to a 5" or 6" barrel the velocity increase is substantial as is the handling characteristics of the pistol during the recoil cycle, my next 10mm will probably be a 1911 with a 5" barrel. I've owned Glock's before and now with the slim frame the newer G20's are very attractive, as is the G29SF, they're nice pistols to.
One of my next project's is a 125/135 grain bullet going around 1000 fps, like in a 9mm plinker round to train my wife in the use of the 1911. And I may go down in weight with my plinker load to say a 150-170 range bullet...just because I can.
I think of the 10mm as basically the ballistic twin of the .357 Magnum in a semi-auto offering the same if not more versatility.
It's not for everybody, but, it's a wonderful round and reloader's dream cartridge.
And has been pointed out above the recoil impulse is more unpleasant in the 40 with the 40 being a sharp snap in many pistols and loads, that's been my experience with the .40 and is probably due to the pressure curve of the high intensity .40. Most .40's are loaded hot, already on the edge of it's performance curve, while at .40 velocity's the 10mm is just beginning to purr.
In my opinion the main advantage the .40 has is the ability to be stuffed into a 9mm frame and offer double stack capacity...more bullets, better for the average Joe who can't hit a target and prays and sprays. Or for LE which has a valid reason for more capacity, I'm not nagging on capacity, it's just highly unlikely that as a civilian CCW holder or sporting enthusiast I'd ever need more then the 9 + 1 rounds my 1911 Dan Wesson CBOB holds.
And for obvious reasons the .40 is available in a wider variety of platforms as well as offering cheap low quality ammo being available at Wally World.
The 1911 CBOB carries very nicely by the way, both IWB or OWB.
I use very mild loads a 180 FMJ/Cast bullet doing 850-1000 for practice and general plinking, a 125-180 H.P. going from 1100-1600 fps for CCW and a 200 grain XTP/Hard Cast bullet doing 1150 fps for woods protection and I can do all this with a magazine change.
It will go faster/slower if I wanted to develop the loads for it which is pretty simple to do, loading data abounds for the 10mm, if I were to go to a 5" or 6" barrel the velocity increase is substantial as is the handling characteristics of the pistol during the recoil cycle, my next 10mm will probably be a 1911 with a 5" barrel. I've owned Glock's before and now with the slim frame the newer G20's are very attractive, as is the G29SF, they're nice pistols to.
One of my next project's is a 125/135 grain bullet going around 1000 fps, like in a 9mm plinker round to train my wife in the use of the 1911. And I may go down in weight with my plinker load to say a 150-170 range bullet...just because I can.
I think of the 10mm as basically the ballistic twin of the .357 Magnum in a semi-auto offering the same if not more versatility.
It's not for everybody, but, it's a wonderful round and reloader's dream cartridge.
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It's not for everybody, but, it's a wonderful round and reloader's dream cartridge.
Jitterbug, yes it is a reloaders dream.
Jitterbug, yes it is a reloaders dream.
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Every .40 I've shot had more recoil than a .45. That's why I sold my XD 40 (and why I'm buying an XDm 45). Not jumping down your throat, just saying. I thought the general consensus is that .40 S&W has more recoil than the .45ACP. I've had numerous people agree.
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.45acp is another favorite of mine, and I'd agree, more or at least different recoil then .40. But for me I'd go .45acp over .40 S&W any day of the week.
More snap in the .40 whereas I find the .45acp more of a push.
With all due respect do those who do, personally, after owning a few, I have no use for a .40 S&W, but I understand the market that does, usually not for shooter types or reloaders, I suppose it's appeal is more for the masses.
.22, .38 Special, 9mm, 45ACP, 10mm and .44 Mag., cover all my handgun bases. I would like a nice .357 Mag. and a 45 Colt, both revolvers obviously, then I'll be more or less complete in the handgun department.
.45acp is another favorite of mine, and I'd agree, more or at least different recoil then .40. But for me I'd go .45acp over .40 S&W any day of the week.
More snap in the .40 whereas I find the .45acp more of a push.
With all due respect do those who do, personally, after owning a few, I have no use for a .40 S&W, but I understand the market that does, usually not for shooter types or reloaders, I suppose it's appeal is more for the masses.
.22, .38 Special, 9mm, 45ACP, 10mm and .44 Mag., cover all my handgun bases. I would like a nice .357 Mag. and a 45 Colt, both revolvers obviously, then I'll be more or less complete in the handgun department.
"What's wrong with the 10mm?" is the wrong question.
There's nothing wrong with the 10mm cartridge. It's always had "user issues." The cartridge chooses you, not the other way around.
The question is, what's wrong with some of the 10mm's (prospective) users?
If you're recoil sensitive or have acutely soft and supple hands like, say, little Jimmy Schwartz , then shooting a 10mm pistol is like being on the receiving end of a Jim Harbaugh handshake - which is to say, you won't be happy. 
There's nothing wrong with the 10mm cartridge. It's always had "user issues."
The cartridge chooses you, not the other way around.The question is, what's wrong with some of the 10mm's (prospective) users?
If you're recoil sensitive or have acutely soft and supple hands like, say, little Jimmy Schwartz
, then shooting a 10mm pistol is like being on the receiving end of a Jim Harbaugh handshake - which is to say, you won't be happy.
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If i bought a 10, it'd probably be a Smith and Wesson revolver. That way I wouldn't have to worry about losing expensive brass. Auto pistols are really wasteful of brass, or can be. Some seem to launch the brass into orbit no matter what recoil spring you have in it. A friend had an IAI Javelina that was like that....when it wasn't jamming. That thing was a POS.
Anyway, for revolvers, there's plenty of more powerful magnum calibers to choose from if you're needing power. I still want a Freedom Arms in .454 Casull. I don't need no WUSSY 10. I already have a .45 Colt Blackhawk.
Anyway, for revolvers, there's plenty of more powerful magnum calibers to choose from if you're needing power. I still want a Freedom Arms in .454 Casull.
I don't need no WUSSY 10. I already have a .45 Colt Blackhawk. mortablunt
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It's kind of a turkey. It's hard on pistols, tough on the shooters, and in terms of power, it's kind of a waste. There was never much of a market for it either.
Oh did this thread get resurrected?
Nothing has changed with what's wrong with the 10mm since September.
It still out of favor with LE and with the shooting public at large.
And the vast majority of the shooting world has rejected the 10mm.
There are no new affordable or compact 10mm platforms on the horizon.
Ammo is still an issue.
Nothing has changed with what's wrong with the 10mm since September.
It still out of favor with LE and with the shooting public at large.
And the vast majority of the shooting world has rejected the 10mm.
There are no new affordable or compact 10mm platforms on the horizon.
Ammo is still an issue.
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LOL very true, and not likely to change. So, done.
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