Whats your BS Meter say to this??

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"am a government trained former sharpshooter"

Now, way back when the government was training me to shoot, the "sharpshooters" were the fellas that weren't quite good enough to shoot "expert". Still better than the "marksmen" though.
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I think he's just trollin'. I remember this one guy, back when I was free agenting for the CIA (leading team 7 down through the jungles of Central America). He was always going on about how he could blaze a trail though any jungle or city. Well, we ended up were MI sent us, 801, Guatemala Blvd. It was supposed to be the "whatamallen" DoD--so, we pulled a couple of them from their beds, they wouldn't answer our questions, slapped 'em around a bit, popped one of 'em with a hushpuppy--still no response. Eventually we hauled it out of there, only to get chewed out by the CIA case operator. Seems like a number had fallen of that stucco building and we were at 1801, not 801 Guatamala Boulevard...School for the Deaf. Bad scene all around. Prolly the same guy. I never ran another op with him after that.
 
1.5-2" groups at 800 meters is certainly possible. A friend of mine has done as good or better with his TRG-42 (338LM), and I have seen pictures of the targets. If you think such shooting is impossible, you need to get out more.

Whether or not this guy can do so with that rifle is another story.

-z
 
Let me see
has the following key words/ phrases :
"accurate"
"reliable"
"government trained"
"so my shooting error is null or none"

I say 8/10
 
Zak,

no disrespect, but your friend is either BSing you, or he's shooting the best made .338 rifle in the world... in outer space. No way you can shoot through the atmosphere and routinely get *sub* 1/4 MOA groups at 800 meters. He may have gotten a lucky small group at that distance, but he would have had to be REALLY lucky. I can shoot 1/10 MOA at 1000 meters with an SKS, but it will only happen once even 10,000 times I try. The trick is being able to do it every time.

I'll bet 10:1 odds against ANYONE sho says he/she can print a sub 2" 5-shot group at 800 meters with ANY gun, in ANY caliber, anywhere (on earth), on demand.
 
The groups were fired in front of a mutually-known credible witness, and I saw the pictures later.
I'll bet 10:1 odds against ANYONE sho says he/she can print a sub 2" 5-shot group at 800 meters with ANY gun, in ANY caliber, anywhere (on earth), on demand.
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I'm not sure if you added this later, or if I just missed it reading the first time. I'm not claming that this is possible at all. Poor conditions and a host of other factors will dramatically decrease performance, even if the gun can do it. I was responding those people who scoff at the idea of quarter MOA results beyond 500 yards.

Maybe I need more "minute of pie-plate at 200 yards is good enough (and furthermore, all that's possible)" Kool-Aid. :uhoh:

-z
 
I betcha that I know who culda shooted like this guy says he culd doo. I betchA thet Annie Oakley coulda done it, I do I betcHa. I betchya she coulda done it backweirds wif a meer-ror too.

Thun agIn if she culdunt have dome thet good, well then I betchya thet Commander Cody culd heve doned it, or maybe the Lone Ranger, or proBBably I know a guy culda done better than em all: Lee Harvey Oswald!

Wow he were gobamint traineed toO - mus be sumtin to it if you iZ gobamiNt traineed.

Egads I am slipping into delirium........this is too funny.
 
blackrazor.........

Theres no call to go baggin on the SKS now. :D

Not all of us can afford the BearCoat Big Bore Special. :neener:
 
Zak,

Your point is well taken, however the issue isn't really whether or not it's POSSIBLE.

The guy posted he was shooting 1.5 to 2 inches at roughly 800 meters with an SVD. Then he goes on to indict the Rumanian SVD knock-off by saying he could only get 3" groups at 600 meters. That isn't saying "I got a lucky group of 2 inches once." It's saying that on a good day I shoot 1.5" on a bad day I shoot 2".

That said, even a lucky group of 2" at 875 yards is incredible from an SVD. I've never seen an SVD owner or expert claim it was much better than a 1-2 MOA rifle. That means a .25" group at 100 yards would be real hard to swallow, but this guy says he can BETTER than quarter MOA AND at 875yards and implies he does it regularly.

I'm not buying...
 
Come on Zak

That is ridiculous! Michael Jordan has made jumpers from 90 ft. too. You never heard him claim he is money from 90 ft though. There is a difference. You don't make that kind of claim unless you can repeat it time and time again. Take a look at all these claims this joker is making and tell me you'd put your money on him. Is it possible one or two times maybe.......... over thousands of times of shooting it. Yeah, maybe at best. I'd put money on Michael Moore waking up in the morning next to Charlton Heston before betting on this ******.
 
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1.5-2" groups at 800 meters is certainly possible.
If you think such shooting is impossible, you need to get out more.
Whether or not this guy can do so with that rifle is another story.
I was responding those people who scoff at the idea of quarter MOA results beyond 500 yards.
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Here are some examples of the exact kind of sentiment I was talking about in the last sentence:
Seems one of their clients had them accurize his .308 target rifle, after which he was shooting five shot, one-hole groups at 600 yards.

I know of nothing that will shoot 2 inch groups at 800 meters.

I dare say you could put any rifle in a rock-solid rest and it wouldn't hit within 2" of the same spot (any spot, not just a bullseye) at 800 yards.
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Yeah, shooting that good is impossible to do on demand in all conditions, but you aren't going to see Camp Perry records broken in hurricanes either. In favorable conditions, it is not impossible.

http://www.dlsports.com/gallery_omc_01.html

For the record, I agree the guy is full of it.

I made a very narrow point which some of you are wrongly generalizing.
 
Here's how to make all the ol' boys in the loading shed at the Supershoot laugh out loud.

Loudly speak the words "All Day Long!"

We all know way too many folks have the single lucky group (that they cut out of the paper so that the fliers don't show...) that they claim their rifle will shoot.

I have a rifle that _will_ shoot 1/10 MOA. The weak factor in the equation is _me_. Thus far, my best "All Day Long" has been five groups over the course of the day that measured out at an average of 0.2017". It is not unheard of for the winning four-day average at the Supershoot, where the best benchresters come to play, to be over 0.25".

So, when you say you've got a rifle that'll shoot 0.25 MOA All Day Long, benchrest shooters see money.
 
You know what I see in those pictures? Custom rifles, probably very carefully handloaded ammo. NOT a $600 second-world commercial rifle and milsurp ammo. I'm not saying it is impossible, but I would go with almost everyone else, saying if it is possible, he go collect his $50k.
 
TFL and THR are both bad places to go making BS claims on anything, much less marksmanship.

LawDog
 
Well it is over

He finally posted again and made up some BS excuse that his little brother logged into his account on March 23 rd while he was on vacation and that is when all the ridiculous claims started. And he says he was never a marine and ect ....ect...

Someone then points out his profile that says marine recon and outdoors survialist and then provides a link to a March 13th posting in which he refers to the Marine corp and training on a .50 cal.

So funny to watch people like this squirm their bluff is called by people who actually know a little something.
 
That was just hysterical. He tries to pawn it all off on some imaginary 'little brother' and is caught red-handed in the lie.

What a maroon.

- Gabe
 
The current world record at 600M is 1.172". Shot with a custom bolt gun, with a "wildcat 22Dasher cartridge" with the most miticulously assembled ammo in the world, shot in perfect wind conditions by one of the best shooters in the world...

Even the Soviet's best of the best Dragunov's were only slightly better than minute of angle guns at 100M... which has little correlation to what the gun will do at long range...

This guy is so full of crap his eyes are brown...
 
The best part is that Rich isn't letting this go. He knows this guy is a poser, and his excuse doesn't match up, so he is giving him until monday to contact him through email, or he is contacting his employer.

Man, he don't mess around there. :what:

I.G.B.
 
Couldn't help but notice that the faker is from "the hills of Kentucky." Also couldn't help but notice that a similar phony, coincidentally from Kentucky, is making outrageous claims on Glocktalk, with the user name "Glockerspaniel". Check 'em out. See what you think.
 
This has to be one of the best quotes out of the thread yet:

"As for posting my personal information on the net ... I choose not to for privacy reasons. I have stayed off the grid this long, and take pride in my privacy. I will reveal myself in due time, but no names over the net. I'm sorry, but I must insist on this."

That made laught out loud. :D
 
Yeah, threads like this where an idiot gets on a site and tries to spout off crap to a bunch of people who know better are really funny. There are people on this site and TFL that have forgotten more about shooting than I know. I'm glad to see them calling him out.
 
Bear Gulch, because it's the only way to hold him accountable for his actions. I agree it's a bit drastic, but it's also important for people to realize that, even on the internet, they might have to answer for what they do/say. This is particularly true in the context of a forum with such high standards (compared to the rest of the Wild Wild Web) of behavior.

Given that he's been spouting this nonsense on his employer's dime, I don't see anything unethical about informing his employer. Given that it's the only real way to impose any consequences, I also don't see anything inappropriate about it. Granted, if the employer does get contacted, the actual consequences will probablybe much greater than actually warranted by the offense - but that's what makes the threat effective.

If he's got the guts (some might say stupidity) to attempt to call Rich's bluff, then he deserves to find out that Rich isn't bluffing.
 
Yep, now that I have read the entire thread I can see why. I think that this guy ius in for a world of hurt.
 
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