What's your favorite 3 milsurp rifles to shoot and why ?

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Hoo boy! Just three, hmm?
Garand (ping!, accuracy, just so darn cool)
Springfield '03 (love it with mild power, cast bullet loads)
Swedish Mauser (accurate beyond description and sooo comfortable to shoot)

Honorable mention: P17, Smle

Someday I'll have a Krag. I've been reading about how nice they are for over 30 years.

Jeff
 
Hoo boy! Just three, hmm?
Garand (ping!, accuracy, just so darn cool)
Springfield '03 (love it with mild power, cast bullet loads)
Swedish Mauser (accurate beyond description and sooo comfortable to shoot)

Honorable mention: P17, Smle

Someday I'll have a Krag. I've been reading about how nice they are for over 30 years.

Jeff
Krags have one of the slickest actions of all the milsurps. In good condition, they are interesting and well crafted in a steam punk way. In full military dress, they are a long musket length rifle but pretty pleasant to shoot. Carbines are less so. They like cast bullets and long heavy corelokt or similar bullets usually and the magazine is an interesting design to prevent rimlock. They also have the rimmed cartridge that seals the chamber and the cartridge is fully supported so bad ammo has less of a chance to do harm to the shooter.

They do have some issues such as a shooter is pretty much stuck with the .30 Krag which can be difficult to find ammo at times, stocks can be fragile, they have open sights which some like and others hate, they can be difficult to scope due to the open receiver at the back end, and sporter versions with chopped military stocks and/or barrels often have recoil equivalent to a Jungle Carbine spread over a fairly narrow butt. Issued stocks are fragile and prone to cracking in the thin wrist and under the receiver as are the handguards. Some do not like spitzer bullets and will not feed them from the magazine without alterations. They are definitely not a round to hotrod either as you have a single lug on the bolt and the design is for around 40000 psi at best.

For me, and I have several, they are an interesting design that in real life battles proved inferior to the Lee Enfield or the Mausers. In a battle, I would even put the Mannlicher designs ahead of the Krag. We replaced them with the Springfields for a good reason.

For a well built sporter for someone that handloads for the rifle, these can be quite nice as the .30 Krag will do for most animals in North America.
 
1, navy match M1 Garand 7.62x 51
a, 1952 M1 Garand Korean war vet IHC 30.06
2, M1A also 7.62x51
3, Finn M39, 7.62x 54r
4, Lee Enfield Mk1 .303.
5. Colt M16,A1 civilian style now,
Just love rifles that were used against comunists
 
I am going to be an odd-man-out and say one of my favorites is a Steyr M95 Stutzen in 8x56R.

Mine is fast and reasonably accurate, and the carbine handles quite nicely.

No 4s are fun too, a little less recoil than the Steyr or .30-'06.
 
No 4s are fun too, a little less recoil than the Steyr or .30-'06.

That's what surprised me about the Jungle Carbine. You see the cut-down stock and barrel, you see the rubber recoil pad installed on the butt, you read about the "wandering zero" from these guns allegedly shooting themselves loose, and so when you shoulder the gun, you are bracing for impact. Your expectation for recoil is something like an M44 Mosin, maybe an 18" Guide Gun, then you pull the trigger and...

Nope! It's not bad at all. Maybe about like a sporter-weight 270.

A milsurp that small and light, and it doesn't even kick bad? Definitely a lot of fun.
 
My favorites are M-96 swedish mauser, K-31 swiss carbine, and BSA Shirley No 4 mk 1. I suspect that a finn M-39 would be in that group if I had been wiser earlier.

Why? Beautiful machining and accuracy for the first 2, classic UK ugly combined with amazing speed and smoothness for the No 4. M-39 would be the total package of accuracy, good sights, good ergonomics and precision machining.
 
1, navy match M1 Garand 7.62x 51
a, 1952 M1 Garand Korean war vet IHC 30.06
2, M1A also 7.62x51
3, Finn M39, 7.62x 54r
4, Lee Enfield Mk1 .303.
5. Colt M16,A1 civilian style now,
Just love rifles that were used against comunists
The number is three, the number five is right out. You will not be allowed to use the Holy Hand Grenada. ;)
 
boom boom,
Thanks for that run down on the Krag. In a few brief paragraphs you described what I've been reading for years.

Jeff

I have two..a 1950's Sporter..and a pretty nice carbine. the Carmine is pretty crisp in the recoil area... they are thin and I think that is what makes it harsh. Don't think I would want to have to deal with one on a two way range.... but as a range toy it is as much fun to load as it is to shoot.
 
I have two..a 1950's Sporter..and a pretty nice carbine. the Carmine is pretty crisp in the recoil area... they are thin and I think that is what makes it harsh. Don't think I would want to have to deal with one on a two way range.... but as a range toy it is as much fun to load as it is to shoot.
I cheat on my ersatz carbine (regular receiver with converted 1903 barrel and front sight) with an issue stock cut to carbine size. I use one of the slip on recoil pads when shooting mine. Since I have a little more confidence in the 1903 barrel with good rifling, I shoot the fmj from it. Others with original barrels get cast bullets because of somewhat worn bores and age of them.
 
Krags have one of the slickest actions of all the milsurps. In good condition, they are interesting and well crafted in a steam punk way. In full military dress, they are a long musket length rifle but pretty pleasant to shoot. Carbines are less so.

For me too, and this is significant - for me - they are an aesthetic joy. They have some of the most beautiful cartouches and roll-markings ever put on a Service Rifle.
And then...... THAT magazine! Too cool!


Todd.
 
I have only two Misurp rifles .. After owning many .. Both are original

A 1917 Enfield... My wife suprised me with it on my Birthday over 25 years ago ..

A No4 Enfield... picked it up at a flea market.. 20yrs ago We were totally broke .. I had just lost my job and recovering from a back injury .. Just a really nice No 4 , the fellow was asking $100.00 .. I opened my wallet and told him I have $72.00 and a Oldtimer pocket it knife ... He agreed ..

I have taken a few Whitetails with and Coydogs ... with the No. 4 with Winchester 180gr SP ammo ...

Even after owning several fine hunting rifles .. I have been none to tote the No. 4 in the woods
 
I would like to shoot a Nagant revolver , its got that cool action with its cylinder . Like many have said wished had bought one when were super cheap !!
 
This is a tough, almost impossible question, because people like milsurps for different reasons. For some it’s value/bang for the buck. Others like weird, quirky, or intricate mechanisms, or old-school complicated milled steel craftsmanship. Then there’s the accuracy/vintage match crowd, and there’s the history buff, or the guy who has studied one period very extensively and so might choose something from that time or place. Of course patriotism plays a role too, as does carrying what dad or grandpa carried. And then there’s the guy who wants to show off his cool, rare, and drool-worthy old relic. Most of us have some of all these ideas playing into our choice of guns, but to differing extent.

And then, of course, if you’ve got a massive collection or a lot of friends, you’ve probably shot more variety of guns, so maybe your tastes are more obscure -or not.

I only own 9 surplus rifles at the moment so I feel like I’m not the most qualified to answer. That said, here are my choices:

The Mosin-Nagant is a great gun. Some or most have marginal or crude fit and finish apparently (I’ve not seen one of these but the Internet says it so it must be true? My 3 are nice.) A good rifle that shoots well and is not ugly, especially the hex receiver earlier type, though the Russians never spent extra money on perfect polishing or stunning fire-blueing. I think it’s interesting that the Mosin was one of the earlier modern bolt action smokeless repeating rifle designs, and yet didn’t really require multiple internal redesigns to address serious shortcomings. Sure, it was shortened to carbine length over the years, but an 1894 antique will shoot just as well as a 1930s gun, unlike some other countries who had to more extensively update their rifles, and at the end of the day, the Mosin did, and does, anything that could be asked of a bolt action battle rifle. Bonus that today they’re relatively affordable to shoot, and relatively common and not too expensive to find a nice one.

The Krag Jorgensen is a neat old warhorse too. Fun to shoot with that side-opening magazine, and smooth bolt. The cartridge is capable, and in a full-length military rifle the recoil is fairly mild. The craftsmanship of these rifles is fantastic. The Springfield (which I haven’t shot) was probably a marginally better combat rifle due to flatter trajectory and stripper clip loading, but I think in practical terms the Krag doesn’t give up a whole lot, and I’m glad to have one.

Mauser -there’s a lot of Mausers. They’ve all got an elegance to them, and they’re very well thought-of from an engineering perspective, and have been battle-proven. The nice thing about Mausers is that they were used by many many armies, so you can choose what you like. Cock on opening? Cock on close? 6.5mm? 7mm? 7.65mm? 8mm? .30-06? There’s an elegant Argentine long rifle which oozes class, and there’s the K98k (and similar Yugo and Czech guns) which are short, brutally efficient killing machines. They’re pretty much the quintessential bolt action rifle, which means that they might be the best, but they lack some of the character of other guns. (But whether this is a real or imagined thing is up for debate. Chances are if you’ve fired a bolt action it is at least Mauser-esque, if not a direct copy.) However, in practical terms it’s a lot easier to feed and find parts for a Mauser than some more obscure rifle, so they get points for peace-of-mind.
 
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