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Whats Your Favorite Missouri Bullet Load

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by My(2)Cents, Aug 3, 2009.

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  1. My(2)Cents

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  2. Roccobro

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    That doesn't even scratch the surface of what a Missouri bullet is. The name is almost synonymous with a small evolution...

    Justin
     
  3. Dodge DeBoulet

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    I've been using 5gr of Winchester Super Target and an OAL of 1.125" for these. They chrono at an average of 1046.3 with a SD of 16, fired from my FS S&W M&P with a 4.25" barrel. Makes for a PF of 146.

    As I said over on TFL, nice load for plinking. Tack drivers that don't feel "hot."
     
  4. Scrapperz

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    Dodge DeBoulet, Thanks for the info.
     
  5. RippinSVT

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    If you shoot a .357 and haven't loaded up some 158gr Action! bullets over 5.0gr of Titegroup, you are missing out. One of the most accurate loads known to mankind.
     
  6. flhtcuibyhd

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    Rippin - I've only been reloading about a year now and still piecing together the ins and outs. The Hodgdon website lists the starting load for Titegroup and 158gr SWC at 5.4 grains with a max of 6.1. How do you gauge creating a load below manufacturer starting loads? I'm fearful of leaving a bullet in the barrel. I do shoot MBC 158gr match .38 special rounds but am at the low end of their listed starting loads for W231 and Bullseye but would like to try some .357 loads as well.
     
  7. Gik-tal

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    Ive been loading

    45 ACP - 200 LSCW over 4.1 grains of IMR-700X

    40 S&W 180 TCFP over 4.2 grains of IMR-700X

    38 Special 141 DEWC over 2.8 grains of IMR-700X
     
  8. bds
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    I have been test loading to do a comprehensive jacketed/plated/lead bullet comparison (11 bullet types in 9/40/45) and early testing results are very promising.

    So far, I have several targets with 7-10 yard shot groups that are about 1" for MBC 9mm 125gr 18BHN "small ball" with 4.2 gr of W231/HP38 at 1.08" - 1.10" OAL. Very good slide cycling for my test Glock 27 with Lone Wolf 40-9 conversion barrel (stiff recoil spring) and no leading so far.
     
  9. RippinSVT

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    You won't, they are actually quite snappy, little over 1000fps.


    I used a basic formula to derive the pressure point at which an 18-Brinell-hardness lead bullet will obturate in the bore without melting/deforming. I then loaded them at or just below that pressure (experimented shooting 4.8-5.4gr and did accuracy comparisons). 5.0 was just right.
     
  10. BsChoy

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    Not to hijack the thread but, I noticed someone asked about using different lubes with the Missouri bullets. They are the 1st cast bullets I am loading for my M&P45 and I wanted to make sure they are ready to load right outta the box?
     
  11. MissouriBullet

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    They are indeed sized and lubed and ready to go.
     
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    I Have a box of 125gr small ball 9MM and a box of 147gr FP 9MM.
    Can I use the same powder for both bullets or do I need to get two different powders?
    I have only loaded 9MM jacketed ammo in the past and used Titegroup powder.
    Is Titegroup good for lead bullets or would I be better off buying another powder?
     
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    I Have a box of 125gr small ball 9MM and a box of 147gr FP 9MM.
    Can I use the same powder for both bullets or do I need to get two different powders?
    I have only loaded 9MM jacketed ammo in the past and used Titegroup powder.
    Is Titegroup good for lead bullets or would I be better off buying another powder?
     
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    You can use TG for both calibers, but another powder *might* be better. Just depends on your results and preferences. ;)

    Justin
     
  15. tomsp8

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    Hopefully this post belongs here well enough, since I just bought my first
    lead bullets. Will be reloading for my RIA 1911 45, using Bullseye powder.
    I will be visiting my father, who reloads, & want to try to learn as
    much as I can beforehand.
    I bought the Missouri Bullet IDP#4-XD 200 gr rnfp, for general target shooting, and the "pin busters" 250 gr rnfp for potentially pin shooting.
    My actual question has to do with the top groove in the bullet. As long as
    the case mouth is above or below that groove for taper crimping, I'm good
    right? Or do I even need to concern myself with that groove? (Obviously I will need to check for feeding at various col)
    It just looks like all the normal swc 45acp bullets do not have that groove.

    Any starting suggestions on the pin buster's using bullseye would
    be appreciated.

    Thanks
     
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    With the Cowboy #4 (200 gn rnfp) which is the same is as the IDP#4 except softer, I had best results with the case mouth just below the groove. My notes say OAL of 1.214".
     
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    Thanks, SJC.
    Are you using these in a 1911? Are they good feeders?
    By best results, are you referring to feeding reliability or accuracy?
    Can the case rim wind up over the crimping groove, or should I focus
    on staying at/below or at/above the groove? I assume the rim would still
    headspace properly in the barrel even if the lip is centered in the groove
    line or will it tend to draw into the groove during taper crimping causing
    a problem seating in the chamber? I am guessing that we will load several
    dummy rounds at various lengths to check cycling action. Does that
    sound about right?
    Thanks again, this helps a lot.
     
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    Hi Tom -

    Yes, this is out of a 1911. I also have an RIA, with a 5" barrel. They fed just fine once I determined the COAL that my gun and magazines liked.

    By best results I mean feeding reliability. With a shorter OAL (groove right at the case mouth or below the case mouth) I had occasional FTRB where the round would be ahead of the extractor.

    You're right -- it really doesn't matter where that groove is. Since it's a taper crimp it headspaces on the case mouth and the groove doesn't come into play at all.

    Dummy rounds are good and you can figure out your max OAL that way, but I only found my FTRB issues after loading up a bunch of rounds and shooting them.
     
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    Thanks again, sjc.
    I appreciate your replies. I'll use your oal as a guide since the guns are the same.
    You've been a big help.
     
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    Hi Tom - Glad to help.

    In the interest of keeping this thread on topic, I guess I should post the load that I liked, huh?

    For the Cowboy #4 200 gn RNFP in a 1911:
    - 3.5 gn Bullseye, oal 1.214" -- Soft recoil, hilariously fun to plink with. A little dirty to clean up, but that's due to the low charge of Bullseye. No leading evident.
     
  21. tomsp8

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    My update after the weekend at Pop's.
    Loaded the 200's with 3.5 Bullseye at about 1.215.
    The 250's required a much shorter col to feed. They ended up
    at about 1.190 / 1.195 using 4.4 Bullseye. The 250's average around
    805 fps, with no signs of excessive pressure. CCI primers in both.
    The 200's averaged a leisurely 680 fps. A real pleasure to shoot, cycled fine, shot reasonably good, and the brass landed right at my feet.
    Thanks again for the help, SJC.
     
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    .45ACP 6.0 Unique with the 230gr Softball

    .45LC 6.0 TrailBoss with the 200gr RNFP Cowboy #4

    Still working on a load for the .312 100gr RN in the .32 H&R Mag.

    t2e
     
  23. coyotemoon

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    I like the 230gr soft ball Missouri Bullet behind 4.3 gr Titegroup with Wolf LP primers in my 45ACP Witness Elite Match, very accurate and no leading and light recoil
     
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    How good are MB's bullets? Here's 4.8 gns of Ramshot's ZIP pushing a 200 gn 18 brinell LSWC out of my match barrel equipped Enterprise Arms/Colt hi-cap 1911. At 25 yards from a bench rest, 6 out of 7 went into 11/16". Holy moly was I surprised :eek:
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  25. Spartan299

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    Does anyone have a round worked up using the 185 grain LSWC using Bullseye? COL would be helpful, too. I'm new to the lead bullets and not that long in the tooth reloading, so any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
     
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