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What's YOUR Most Easily Pointing Handgun?

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by SharpsDressedMan, Nov 19, 2012.

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  1. papaairbear

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    1. CZ 75 (hands down #1)
    2. Kahr P9
    3. 1911
     
  2. musicman10_1

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    My Grandpa's GP35 (Belgium FN made Hi-Power) seems to function like my pointer finger.
     
  3. bannockburn

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    There are a few that seem to point very naturally for me:
    1) Browning Hi-Power
    2) Colt Combat Commander
    3) Steyr M9
    4) CZ P-01
    5) Ruger MK.II Model 512 (with target grips)
     
  4. philbo

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    S&W K frame with 3" heavy barrel and round butt... Mine is a model 65

    Colt SAA is a very close second
     
  5. oneounceload

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    Walther PP, followed by my HK P7
     
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    Easily pointing handgun

    Springfield armory range officer
    smith & wesson k38 model 14
     
  7. CraigC
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    1. No, Georgia. You think Germany is the only place they used to force kids to conform???

    2. Yes, he did. He had to write right-handed all through school but is still left-handed.

    How long are we going to go back and forth on this???
     
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    As long as you stubbornly refuse to aknowledge that complex behavior and traditions are a learned behavior and humans are not born with a "gun gene" for individual ideal grippage.

    Or until I get tired of arguing this.
     
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    Oddly, my Glock 19 Gen 2 is a natural pointer for me, followed by my S&W 642. I have others I shoot well, but these two point the most natural.
     
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    That's an easy one for me, a Whitney Wolverine. Very light, with a good grip angle.
     
  11. jman74

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    Same here. Anything with the same grip angle i.e. xD, 22/45.
     
  12. CraigC
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    Or as long as you stubbornly refuse to acknowledge that some things are simply more natural to individuals than others. Funny how well-heeled folks have been getting measured for custom guns for centuries so that they fit perfectly. So that they feel and fit more "naturally". Yet as soon as you suggest the same for a handgun, folks say "everything is learned". Well yes, you can adapt yourself and learn to use anything reasonably well but you won't find any competition sporting clays shooters using shotguns that have not been explicitly fitted to them. An easier thing to do with a rifle or shotgun because the wood stock is easily adapted. Not so easy with handguns because their designs cannot be easily altered. The solution? Find what fits YOU.

    Yes, I could learn to use thin gripped SA's and I'm sure I would be able to manage. Or I could have them fitted with thicker grips that are more comfortable, correctly place my finger in the triggerguard and allow me to shoot better.

    Yes, I'm sure I could learn to point-shoot with a Glock but it would take far more work than it did with the sixguns and 1911's I use. Because the Glock came first but those other guns work better for ME because they're a better fit. It has nothing to do with any cultural or learned BS. It has everything to do with the miniscule differences between human beings. Nothing is truly one-size-fits-all. I'm sorry if this concept is too abstract or profound for you to understand. We had a discussion about handgun "balance" on another forum recently and IMHO, you either get it or you don't.
     
  13. Nushif

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    Yes, but this term "natural" comes from something. It's not some mystical element, it is a product of learning to THAT point. Well heeled folks who have their gun fitted perfectly still come from a common frame of reference, even if it's just some notion to the effect of "this is how you hold a gun, right?"

    Getting a gun fitted to specifically you merely fits the gun, but the fact that you are not holding the gun upside down and pulling the trigger with your pinky is a learned behavior. from where? God knows ... TV, standing at the range? Extrapolationg from previous life experiences, who knows.

    Point is that he fact that they even know what a gun is and that it makes small things go fast is a LEARNED behavior. Getting it fitted to them is just a long walk to their line of thinking instead of a commercial producer going with a cultural, technical or organizational norm to which the user has to walk.

    Furthermore the whole "you get it or you don't" is not a valid argument in any kind of rational discussion. You're arguing from faith at this point. And I'm not reading the same holy book as you.
     
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    Typical response from those who "don't get it". There are some things some folks understand and some things they do not. No amount of explaining will make them understand. I'm not going to continue this discussion with someone who said "I'm a bit of a n00b when it comes to guns" only two years ago. Perhaps if you spent the next few years working on your point-shooting, you might finally understand.

    If you can explain to me how I can come from High Standards and Glocks but still find the 1911 more natural and comfortable, we 'may' have something to discuss.
     
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    I see.

    So now you're not only arguing from faith, but also from authority?

    Could there not be the tiniest chance that this discussion is about cognitive development in relations to guns, rather than a simplistic attempt at explaining why people like their guns because "dey just born wid'em?"
     
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    One should always adapt their gun to them, not themselves to the gun for maximum comfort and ease of use and success.

    Since everyone is different, it only makes sense to make alterations to accomplish that
     
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    Yes, I would call myself a greater authority than someone who called themselves a "noob" only 2yrs ago. Do I claim to be an "expert"? Absolutely not. Do I believe I have a greater understanding on this subject than some? Yes, I do. Some things can ONLY be gained through experience. Like I said, spend 50,000rds working on your point-shooting over the next couple years and then get back to me.


    Unfortunately for you, there's nothing simplistic about it but it's obvious that you need to spend more time shooting and less time in the classroom.


    I would suggest you do some reading about Annie Oakley's shotgunning before she got fitted for a shotgun. As was just stated, you'll see far better results adapting the gun to you, rather than yourself to the gun. Which is what you call "learning".
     
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    Whatever I've been shooting most with. The most "natural" pointing gun I've ever shot was a High Standard derringer in .22WMRM. Shot it by laying my index finger alongside the barrels (pointing at the target) and using my middle finger on the trigger. It was, however, the absolute worst in accuracy, as well.

    For accuracy, I started with N-framed S&Ws, then moved to 1911s, and now Glocks. Over my lifetime, I've put far more rounds downrange with 1911s and my muscle memory is pretty strong with them. Over the last year, I've shot a lot of Glocks, and shoot them better than most. The most natural pointing Glock I have is my G30, but I shoot my G34 more accurately.
     
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    For me, "pointer" means being able to put rounds on target w/o using sights and while I'm moving. Going heads up with Glock, Sig and Beretta, the Steyr M40-A1 does well, but not in the same league as 1911s. But, the ergonomics of the 1911 evolved to the Hi-Power and the BHP is the best pointer for me when I quickly need to move from point A to point B. :)
     
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    And how does this relate to the OP's question?
     
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    'Pears Mr Nushif keeps trying to say that no handgun points naturally, one has to learn to point a handgun to achieve accuracy.

    Which, I'd suspect (supported by almost every poster in this thread!), most of don't believe; most experienced handgunners understand that any gun has a different "natural" POA from shooter to shooter ... Hey, look at all the guys who say Glocks point great for them, contrasted with some of us who can hit for squat with Glocks even after thousands of rounds fire, while we can easily get quick accurate hits with another platform we just tried for the first time yesterday ...
     
  22. History.Doc

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    CZ rami or 83...maybe the 75 compact...
     
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    6" Python. Can't seem to miss with it. Also, full size 1911 seems natural in my hand. CZ PCR seems to point itself.
     
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    For me 2 are HK's - P7 & P30.The P30 gets medium back strap & large side panels. Then it's the Ruger MKI/II/III and the German Luger.
     
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