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What's your "never buy" gun?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Meowhead, Oct 4, 2008.

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  1. coyoteassasin

    coyoteassasin Member

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    never buy a Mossberg

    Ouch,I bought a new Mossberg.22 from Dumhams. Yes an AR 15 wannabee.
    Could not hold even a small group. Drove 75 miles to Williams gun sight to see why. Williams is the best gunsmith in Michigan I believe.
    The barrell was actually bent in an arc. I could not believe it.Brand new.
    Took it back to Dunhams only to be told. Send it back to Mossberg!.
    $295.00 while .22s By M&P are over 500. Again you get what you pay for!
    Must be Chineese crap. Bought a new 10/.22 dime size group at 30yards.
    I hope Mossberg and Duhams get a copy of this thread.
    Coyote Assassin
     
  2. dmazur

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    Something your namesake would never have been involved with...

    Here's one discussion on the dreaded feature -

    http://smith-wessonforum.com/concealed-carry-self-defense/112077-massad-ayoob-internal-lock.html

    Some things, like the transfer bar used by Ruger in their revolvers, are actual safety improvements. A revolver with a transfer bar can have a round under the hammer, where one without should have an empty chamber in that position to prevent a negligent discharge if the hammer is struck.

    Other things are additional points of failure which are intended to give the illusion of increased safety. IMO, the S&W ILS falls into this category.
     
  3. JoelSteinbach

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    I.L.S. S&W internal locking system. I own about a dozen or so newer smiths, I shoot them all none have ever failed to date.
     
  4. JM Browning

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    ILS

    Oh a Hillary Hole, why didn't yall say so.
    In regards to S&W I will buy older ones without MIM, and of course Hillary Hole less. Last revolver purchase 1988 M625-2.
     
  5. Willie Sutton

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    Anything with "read instruction manual before using" stamped on the side. Such advice is for lawyers and idiots. Since I am neither, I prefer to see them sold to those who can use the advice.

    And under the category of defacement, anything imported by Century and so marked crudely on the slide.



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  6. wow6599

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    Ruger LC9. Enough "safety and warning devices" to make Feinstein smile. And a horrible trigger too.

    And +100 on the ILS and S&W. Out of pure politics alone, I won't buy one.
     
  7. Cee Zee

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    I read just page #68 of this thread and the stuff that gets said in a thread like this is truly remarkable. I own a Taurus, a .40 S&W, a Remington 870 Express, and a Mossberg. All were slammed on page #68 here. Every one of my examples is an outstanding gun.

    I know some Taurus guns are junk. Not all are though. Most aren't. Mine is fantastic. It shoots .45's with target accuracy, holds more rounds than any .45 even close to it's size and has never had one single issue with feeding or ejecting or firing a round. I did have one round that took an extra strike (something Taurus makes easy) and since it did fire on the second strike that clearly shows it was an ammo problem and not a gun problem. The fact I've fired over 5000 rounds through it without another similar incident pretty much proves the point. I had a friend set up 3 empty .45 cartridges with 2 being at 20 yards and the other at 25 yards. He wanted to see how well I could shoot. I hit the two cartridges at 20 yards to the point that they could not be found to inspect the damage. I missed the third one by less than an inch. Not bad for a gun with less than a 2" barrel. Lifetime warranty, very narrow for a double stack (more narrow than some single stack .45's), a rail, a fine trigger and several other good features like a first class grip and nearly perfect ergonomics (for me of course). I wouldn't sell that pistol for 3 times what I paid for it.

    I can hear it now about the Express. Rust bucket, misfires, misfeeds, blah blah blah. None of those things are true of my Express. It doesn't have a speck of rust on it after 5 years. It never misfires. It never fails to feed. The bead is set perfectly and I can swap barrels on it in 30 seconds if I feel like it and chokes aren't much of a hassle either. What's not to like?

    My Mossberg has been working perfectly for over 60 years. I did have to have it re-blued once about 20 years ago.

    I bought a .40 because it is heavier than a 9mm and faster than a .45. Plus they make ammo for it that will penetrate car door steel and car windshields even at an angle (which is almost always the case with windshields). If you travel the roads at all you will likely have had idiots harass you from their car. Some jerks near where I live followed people around shooting up their cars not so long ago. That's when I bought the .40. I saw an article on Hornady Critical Duty ammo and I knew I needed a carry gun that fired that ammo. And it is extremely good ammo. The pistol holds 15+1 rounds which is close to 9mm capacity but it has more power. Not bad IMO.

    This is why I think these threads are a waste of time. People hear things and they repeat them never knowing if they're really true for one thing. I was hanging out on a shotgun board once and a guy came on asking about what shotguns to own and there was one guy who constantly ragged on the Express because he had left his in a foam case and it rusted. No amount of telling him that any gun would rust in those conditions made any difference. The guy was told that the Express was a rust bucket. Within a week the guy was arguing with me about what junk the Express was. I had about 45 years experience with shotguns. I literally grew up on a trap range. Well it was in my back yard but people came from all over 3 states to shoot there. He had exactly one week of advice he got on the net. I had an Express with no rust on it. That didn't matter. He assured me that it would rust in no time. That was about 4.5 years ago. I still don't have any rust on that Express. And I'd bet that bozo is still telling people that they will rust in no time. One week and he was an expert that knew more than me. Yeah right. He probably slept in a Holiday Inn the night before that comment or something. But it probably wasn't a real Holiday Inn. He just thought he was super genius shotgun man - after one week.
     
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  8. TennJed

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    Do you think thread that talk positively or praise a gun are a waste of time also. When someone talks about how great a gun is we have no way of knowing if he is telling the truth. I am sure there have been more than one instance of someone praising a gun just because that is what everyone else does. I am sure more than 1 person has lied in the Internet about accuracy.

    The thing is you take general consensus and go from there. You shouldn't make assumptions (good or bad) based on one opinion. If enough opinions seem to point in one direction then it probably has merit.

    For the record I own 2 Taurus and have had a couple of others in my life. Never had an issue and I am a big fan of theirs. I think they do a great job coming up with new ideas and providing a lot of different options. I like them. That doesn't mean that I discredit the opinions shared here. As much as I personally like taurus there is probably I higher number if issues with their guns than other companies (quality control).

    But if you think these threads are a waste if time then you have to feel the same about threads pointing out the positives
     
  9. Teachu2

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    On the new market, there are many that don't represent a good value for me - either too much money for what I expect to do with them or guns I have no use for. I don't hunt big game, so belted magnum rifles hold no appeal to me. Used? Well, I like bargains....

    Some guns I now own that I never thought I would include a Les Baer SRP (WAY too much money, but it sure is a fine shooter), a HiPoint 4595 carbine (surprisingly accurate and fun), and a M&P 15-22 (pricey, but accurate and fun). Also 11 Glocks, and I was raised with great prejudice against them.
     
  10. just for fun

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    Thanks for the advice. I know just what to do with it.
     
  12. Kosh75287

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    Anything made by RG, or chambered for .25 ACP (unless absolutely no other firearm is available).
     
  13. Kosh75287

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    ...and ALL this time, I've thought that "Hillary Hole" was an uncomplimentary term for a lesbian... The things y'learn, and the places y'learn them...
     
  14. onthehunt

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    Ruger P95 ....
     
  15. MFH

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    Anything with a 3 position safety
     
  16. clg114

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    Anything from the Jennings family of firearms. The shooter is in as much danger as the target. Hi-Points are big, ugly and heavy. Other than that, they aren't to bad. Who has a better warranty?
     
  17. Ironman615

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    Wow!

    Just about everything I own has been mentioned, except for my Swedish Mauser. Maybe I just missed that post. Anyway, I would have to say I would never buy a .25, a derringer of any sort, or any Chinese made firearm of any sort. I'm not really down on the Chinese, but the quality of their firearms is just too spotty.

    Also, I don't mind anyone trashing my favorite guns. I don't expect everyone to like the same things.
     
  18. no2gates

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    S&W Bodyguard 380. Hated it! Sold it.
     
  19. tcanthonyii

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    I don't have a do not buy or will not buy list. I'd buy or accept any gun for the right price. Heck I love getting these guns that everyone loves to hate and then watch them work. It's a fun thread to read though.
     
  20. On An Island

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    Anything Russian/Soviet/Chinese. Just sayin....
    Handi-rifle
    Derringers
    .410 pistol
     
  21. Huskerguy

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    Glocks
    Hi-Point
    Taurus - BIL had one and it looked nice but it took three people to pull the trigger
    LC9 - see Taurus trigger
    Single shot shotguns
    Bolt action 22's although I understand for teaching young kids
     
  22. kendak

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    Taurus "Judge" never could figure out what it's good for & anything made by "Glock" ..on the other side the Ruger LC9 is a fine CC weapon
     
  23. Robbins290

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    Hey huskerguy, if u dont mind, but why dont you like single shot shotguns?
     
  24. 4x4moses

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    I know this is an old post, but I've got to add my "two cents worth." After scrolling through several pages of "guns I'd never buy/own," I'm left with a couple of thoughts. First, there are apparently no guns worth owning. Second, like belly-buttons, everyone has an opinion on the best/worst firearms. The only post I saw (among the many I read), with which I agree, is that I will never own a firearm made in China. I'll also add: I'll never own any firearm which Nancy Pelosi and Comrade Obama tell me it's okay to own! I never even wanted an AR-15, until Nancy Pelosi and the Kenyan Imposter told me it was evil. Now I have TWO!
     
  25. Mike1234567

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    Anything "just cuz" it's purty or kewl. If I don't have a current or future need for it then I won't buy it. I don't buy gold-plated hammers and hang them up for display. I don't buy kewl toys that have no logical purpose.

    This is NOT to state the purposeful firearms can't be kewl or purty or fun TOO!! :D
     
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