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When a non reloader becomes a freeloader

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by lykoris, Mar 6, 2010.

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  1. lykoris

    lykoris Member

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    Just wondering if any of you have experienced taking the time to show somebody who initially presents an 'interest' in learning how to reload only to realise they're only interested in using your equipment and obtaining better cartridges at a fraction of factory cost ammo?
     
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  2. buck460XVR

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    yea...............my two sons, LOL.:rolleyes:
     
  3. cottonmouth

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    Maybe it time to give the old "well I think you are on the right track now, you need to go ahead and and get your own set up" speach?

    J.B.
     
  4. snuffy

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    Anybody is welcome to come use my equipment anytime. As long as they don't use up my components. I would certainly expect them to eventually buy their own stuff, but circumstances like they don't have space available would mean they could use my stuff.

    Anything to further the sport!:D
     
  5. azyogi

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    Shooting's fun for my kids till they have to buy the ammo. It's the same thing with quads, everybody wants to ride nobody wantd to work on them or buy gas.
     
  6. lykoris

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    Fear not, I don't tolerate people wasting what little free time I have and have no reservations about frank communication. I don't beat about the bush or avoid pink elephants.

    My enthusiasm for reloading put my sceptic radar/capacity to judge character on the back burner.

    I won't talk about reloading anymore apart with fellow reloaders or attempt to convert non-reloaders :p
     
  7. Walkalong

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    Yes, and on top of that he was being careless with my LNL, so I cut him off. Still buddies at the range, and I'll help him out, but he doesn't load on my stuff ever again. Just be nice, and it will work out.....or not, but it won't be your fault if your nice. :)
     
  8. snuffy

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    Well forgive my generous nature! I'd give my ammo away if I weren't opening myself up for a law suit,(if something went wrong), just to get a person interested in the shooting sports/reloading.

    I have an open invitation to a rabid anti-gun-liberal at work. He hates guns and people that shoot. I challenged him to come shooting with me, just so he actually had some basis for his rants. He refuses, his mind is closed.

    Another fellow worker and young married/W/children, had just bought a new Savage .223. He tried various factory loads, was very disappointed in groups. I took a gamble, gave him some handloads I made for my AR. He raved about how much better they shot. I said you'll have to handload to get that kind of accuracy. He's now a new handloader, again with my help.
     
  9. lykoris

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    snuffy,

    I was very accommodating on numerous occasions but at a certain point when the line has been clearly drawn there is an abuse of goodwill when the other party repeatedly persists. e.g. having dropped by one evening during the week (again on very short notice) to run 38 on the 650 and being told three times over the course of that two hour visit 'time to get your equipment' in plain English...I get a call today while he's in the gunstore on what bullets he should get so he can come back.

    I've by in large found that the shooting community like to share and I have a firm belief in exposing people to shooting/reloading to combat the negative social programming that the MSM portrays - here in Europe it's absurd the extent of the disinformation.

    Just wondered if anybody had experienced something similar.

    And this definitely isn't a money thing as he earns a very good living and could easily drop the funds for top reloading gear.

    I trully fail to understand the logic.
     
  10. Walkalong

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    I applaud you. I can not stand to watch someone abuse machinery, so I cut him off.

    I let folks shoot my ammo all the time. All I ask is they be safe, and be careful with the guns. If they can't do both, they get a gentle warning. If they still can't, to bad.
     
  11. snuffy

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    Wellll---in that case I'd say don't let the door hit ya where God split ya,,, on the way out!:mad: My generosity does have limits, I'm certainly no door mat! :cuss: There's always those that will take advantage of us that give freely.

    So you're over that big pond I never get to see, except in pictures!;)
     
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    I guess it depends on how strong of friendship you have with the chap.
    I have a friend that used to pull that nonsense with me but I got smart. I bought him a kit. LCT kit from Kempfs. Since then, he has put together quite a nice man cave behind his garage. I really like the place. 10' x 12' or so. Nice stereo, couch, mini fridge, a couple of benches (1 for brass work & gun cleaning, 1 for ammo assembly) Nice lighting. I go over there and work with him sometimes and drink his beer.
    But we have been friends since elementary school. I am glad we can now both go to eachother's house and talk story and work some brass.

    LGB
     
  13. Arkansas Paul

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    lgbloader beat me to it. Just how good friends are you with this guy? That would be a difference maker with me.
     
  14. MCMXI

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    And there you have it. This guy is a USER plain and simple. You've been more than generous ... time to move on!!

    If he was making some effort by giving you bullets, powder, primers or cases then maybe you could cut him some slack ... as it is, he's a selfish wanker and is taking advantage of you .... MOVE ON!! I bet he's from Scotland!! :D

    :)
     
  15. lykoris

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    It wasn't my intention to get into specifics nor have a Dr. Phil moment with you guys :D

    It's more a case of, how do you separate the wheat from the chaff when somebody shows an interest in reloading? I think it's foolish of me to say I'll never talk about the benefits of reloading to non-reloaders.

    I realise there will never be any generic rule and each case differs but perhaps for future reference I'd be wiser in just providing directions rather than opening the door & saying 'hop in' and then driving them to their destination.

    Ultimately, if somebody is 'genuinely' interested they should have the motivation to do some research themselves and look into the details themselves.
     
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    You meant lie and brag while working brass, didn't you? ;)
     
  17. NuJudge

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    Think "Liability." If someone blows themselves up with ammo loaded on your machinery, I can think of several legal theories under which you may get to pay his Doctor bills.

    CDD
     
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    I don't think you can somehow "pre-screen" people to find out if they're going to try to continue to use your stuff.

    Just tell 'em you'll be happy to get them started, maybe show them on your machine a couple times, and then advise them on equipment purchases of their own.

    And FWIW: Just because one guy is trying to take advantage of you doesn't mean everybody will.

    It can be easy for us to put up defenses so that nobody can ever do that again, but consider that it's possible he's just a jerk, and the next and next and next guys won't be.
     
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    Now it's time to present the standard equipment rental per hour fee, now that he's trained up and saving big bucks on his ammo. You're out the wear-and-tear otherwise.
     
  20. twofifty

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    I learned how-to from one of the guys in our R&G club. Two visits in this guy's man cave gave me a very very solid start, including the soot technique of figuring out seating depth. This was done using my own components. This fellow was generous with his components as well as his time: we loaded a few of his own bullets with some of his powder. Several other club members were also helpful answering questions and demystifying this that and the other.

    After two sessions, I knew what to look for in tools and purchased my own gear. It would have been rude not to take the plunge at this point - after all people have their own lives.

    Thanks Don. I know that when the opportunity arises, I too will help others. But I will not be taken advantage of.
     
  21. Oyeboten

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    I have a wood and Metal Working Shop.


    I have always been happy to show interested people some bacis 'how-to', within reason...and, I will absolutely never let anyone use or do anything on any of my Equipment, nor let them use any Power Tool or Hand Tool of any kind "Period".


    What happens if you do?


    A ) They instantly make some extrordinarily stupid mistake, ( or soon will, even AS you hover close thinking you could prevent any such thing, ) and, damage the Equipment or Tooling, or, hurt themself as well...then they get mad, and want to make it the fault of the MAchine or power Tool or whatever.

    B) Even one 'step' on the slippery slope, of kindness or genousity in letting other people use one's Machines or other Tools or Tooling, is enough to find you have made an enemy for Life, as they begin asking, nay, demanding, for more and more of your time, and use of your Machines and other, and if allowed to borrow anything, they will reliably return the item damaged and abused while saying nothing, and, if you politely refuse to let it continue, they hate you.


    No thanks...been there, done that, every time thought the person was of good, mature character...every time, I was wrong...so, never again.


    No one touches anything in here...even if, maybe, I might let someone watch a procedure.
     
  22. Jaybird78

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    My dad has a next door neighbor like this. He ALWAYS is wanting to borrow something.

    Examples

    Last year he asked my dad if he had a .22 to lend for ground squirrel control.

    2-3 years ago he wanted to borrow my dads brand new pressure washer so he could wash his siding.

    Many years ago he wanted to borrow a utility trailer to move his kid to next state over. My dad said sure, go ahead and use the trailer. Then the neighbor asked to use his (my dad's) truck to pull it. ***?

    Stop it now before it gets worse.
     
  23. Scrapperz

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    I do not lend things LOL.....especially tools. :). Not lending things you broke your Butt to get yourself is nothing to be ashamed of. It just teaches the "want to be lendee" he/she needs to work to for want they want.

    The reason I do not lend things anymore is cause things of mine started walking and running away from home and I was good owner LOL.

    When there is some reciprocity from someone close to you it may not be so bad.
     
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    I watched the guy that taught me reloading a few times on his gear. Then he helped me pick out what I needed to load and he'd come over to my place for a while to tutor me as I got started. I think that is more fair. He gave the time when he could and I listened to what he had to say. That was many moons ago and we're still friends.
     
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    I have buddies that don't want to use my equipment, but are more than happy to shoot my reloads. They stopped buying their own ammo because they somehow think that because it costs me half as much as factory stuff then I should share the wealth. I find myself going to the range alone these days for that reason. However, every now and then I get a chance to take someone that has not yet been introduced to shooting and I am more than happy to let them shoot as much as they want. I had some guys come over from Australia that had a blast with my Garand loaded with tracers.
     
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