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When comparing the ratio of guns to murders the data looks very interesting

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  1. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

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    Does the data more accurately reflect our situation? I think it does.

    http://thefederalist.com/2018/04/03/gun-control-reduce-murder-lets-run-numbers-across-world/

     
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    Thank you for this. Very interesting.
     
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    Looking at the violent crime stats for countries that have fewer *legal* guns the answer is a hands down NO.

    London just over overtook NYC for the number of murders this year.
     
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    It's a fact that when we look at homicide rates in the US, not firearm related deaths (suicides) the numbers don't indicate that firearms are used in most homicides. The FBI keeps those stats and they are available to anyone who wants the truth. We don't have anywhere near the homicide rate that Mexico does even though Mexico has stringent gun control. Mexico is our neighbor to the south so we don't have to go to another continent to compare. Here's some numbers.

    http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/cramer.racism.html

    Note that Mexico is 21st on this list and the US is 83rd. All that tells me is people are going to kill other people no matter what the tools available.
     
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    RPZ, NYC's gun laws are not much better than all of Britain's.
    In NYC only the wealthy well connected get a gun permit.
     
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    Another thing the libs like to do is lump all gun deaths togeather to give them bigger numbers. A large precentage of those numbers are justifiable homicides which really should be separated but that wouldn't play into the mentally ill libs agenda.
     
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    That may be true, but anyone can drive, walk, bus or train into town with a gun, knife, machete crowbar et al. Same as London in that regard too. And Britain has plenty of black market guns.
     
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    Justifiable homicides are a very small percent of total gun-related deaths. The big thing is that the total numbers include suicides, which in recent years have been roughly half of gun deaths.
     
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    The changes in crime or suicide rates due to gun control do not answer the fundamental philosophical question: Do free people have the right to keep and bear arms? Our Founding Fathers apparently thought so.

    The right of self-preservation and self-protection is inherent in all persons, communities and societies, which is why we fiercely defend the indispensable provisions of our Second Amendment. Liberty cannot be protected if the people have been stripped of the physical means of doing so.

    “Gun violence” should be called human violence, leaving us at least the dignity of being responsible for our own sins.
     
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    The numbers do indicate that firearms are the primary means of homicides, but the firearms used driving those numbers are handguns and not rifles. Rifles fall below knives, clubs or even hands and feet for cause of homicide so any attempt to restrict rifles, any not just semiauto magazine fed rifles, is wasted as knives, clubs and just beating someone to death is the greater risk .
     
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    I was going on memory and obviously that failed.:D Glad you pointed that out. I like the facts to speak for themselves.

    Your point goes right to the heart of the discussion. Those calling for AWB2 are barking up the wrong tree. They should in fact be calling for a handgun ban but that has an even less chance of going anywhere. They lost that fight back in the 90's.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...arkland-school-shooting-control-a8289156.html

    Because this is UK media reporting on something in the US some of the comments are hilarious.
     
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    Hey, Gun Control Works. Just ask these guys. One of the most gun controlled areas in the US. Check out the stats daily. They are off to set a record.

    https://heyjackass.com/
     
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    If the author makes his points this clearly in court, I don't think I would want him as my lawyer.
     
  14. wahsben

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    Here's a good video that covers this:
     
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    In the UK semi auto rifles and shotguns were the first to go - in the wake of the shooting in Hungerford by Michael Ryan using an AK-47 in 1987. The media campaign by the BBC etc was very finely crafted, and the legislature moved quickly.

    Over here they are trying for the same thing, knowing that the "bad" black rifle image, and dead children are their best and surest route.

    Handguns were the target right after the Dunblane shooting by Thomas Hamilton in 1996.
     
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    Love that site! Thanks for the laugh!

    (Gotta love that "Shot-in-the-junk-o-meter"!) :oops:
     
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    Yes and that was for stabbings !
     
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