When The President Won't Protect Our Borders

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Biker said:
I agree, there will be shooting. Hell, there already has been and it will only get worse. However, I'm not suggesting, as RealGun intimated, that we start plugging women and children. The wall would help a lot, and if people die trying to cross the border, that is a personal choice, I think.
Although the Ts are resourceful, might as well make it as difficult for them as we can, yes? No need to put out a welcome mat.:)
Biker

And my two cents is that deterrence to illegal immigration HAS to come from the top, otherwise they'll keep on trying. Think about it. Of these two strategies, which would deter people from coming in?

1. If you manage to get in, you are IMMEDIATELY sent back, no chance at immigration, no greencard, no nothing. If you worked illegally here, your assets are forfeit. You'll just have wasted your money you spent on the coyote to sneak in with, you'll be sent back penniless and at the mercy of the federales.

2. Wellll...immigration is illegal, yeah, but if you manage to get in, we won't be too harsh on you, and even if you're here illegally, no questions asked, you might be able to get handout benefits or a green card.

The administration has chosen the latter. There IS NO DETERRENT. So they keep coming, and coming, and significant dangers could lurk among the sneaking-across crowds. This IS a problem the administration could do something about with a wave of a pen.

But they won't.

Why? Does cheap labor really override national security? And if so, why aren't people angry about it?
 
'Fraid ya won't get an argument from me. Lets start faxing these self serving bastids, eh?:)
*whispers*
In the sig....
Biker
 
byManedwolfThe administration has chosen the latter. There IS NO DETERRENT. So they keep coming, and coming, and significant dangers could lurk among the sneaking-across crowds. This IS a problem the administration could do something about with a wave of a pen.
There has been no deterrent for a very long time.
Wave of a pen? Not quite so easy. Congress has to pass legislation(a plan)along with funding. But they're not going to do that because they want their vote.
A serious problem, you bet cha!!!!!!!!:cuss:
 
Sorry I'm late to the food fight. IMNSHO illegal border crossing and the 2nd amendment are closely related. I got into the SA fight because it was apparent to me strategies and tactics to limit my civil liberties were tested and improved in fighting against RKBA. The SA and illegal border crossing provides only one such example.

During Clinton's administration Reno and Clinton were forever on TV and in print bemoaning the lack of laws designed to curb "gun violence" (whatever that means). The duo was forever asking for new laws, new restrictions, new prosecutors. . .all designed to give the impression "gun violence" was out of control and needed drastic action. The whistle was eventually blown on Clinton by LaPierre when on national TV he said it is evident the President of the US was willing to accept a certain level of violence BECAUSE HE WAS NOT ENFORCING EXISTING LAWS while demanding the passage of additional laws. LaPierre's one visit on TV changed the dynamic of the whole gun debate in the US.

Shift attention for the moment to illegal border crossing and you will see precisely the same elements in play. The current duo or trio is asking for new laws, new restrictions, new prosecutors because IBC is out of control. It is clear the president of the US is willing to accept a certain level of illegal immigration BECAUSE HE IS NOT ENFORCING EXISTING LAWS while demanding passage of additional laws. The Minuteman's visit on the border April of last year change the dynamic of the whole IBC debate in the US.

I will postulate another tactic which I guaran-durn-tee you will show up in the 2nd amendment wars is being used quite successfully in IBC wars. The major tactic being employed is for the federales and state government to simply ignore law if either disagrees with for find inconvenient to enforce. Once government accepts it as legitimate policy to ignore laws with which it disagrees, it is just a small logical step to conclude government can begin to enforce laws that don't exist.

In other words government finally and in public says it knows what is best and to hell with constitutional restrictions, social contracts, etc. Just plain old raw power. Permit me to cast a different light on the recent wire surveillance flap. I will grant that I don't like the elements of the story which the media has presented to me. I will also state the FISA law may well be unconstitutional. I will furthermore add it is beginning to look like provisions of the FISA law are just not realistic expectations in our current war on islamofascist terrormongers, ignoring for the moment constitutional issues. And finally it is beginning to look more and more the current administration, when faced with the foregoing, simply said, "Screw it, just do it. We disagree with limitations on the president's war making authorities and it sure is inconvenient to waste resources going for FISA notification after the fact because the workload to so high."

What is to prevent the next president from applying precisely same logic to the next War on Gun Trafficing once the US signs on to the UN's agenda?
 
Well said, Waitone. An angle that is not readily apparant to many.
Biker
 
I wrote letters to all three of my elected "Representatives" telling them that stopping illegal immigration was my number 1 issue.

I told them that I was paying attention to their positions/statements/votes and that MY vote would be cast accordingly.

I got a reply from one Senator, Ben Nelson, who said that he would be introducing a bill to YADA, Yada, yada......he hasn't done a thing in over 6 months.

I'd really like to know the real reason why TPTB won't put a stop to this...there's got to be more to it than not peeing in the Cheerio's of big campaign contributors or losing the Hispanic vote.
 
by Moondoggie I'd really like to know the real reason why TPTB won't put a stop to this...there's got to be more to it than not peeing in the Cheerio's of big campaign contributors or losing the Hispanic vote.
Well another scenario that's possible but not popular is with the baby boomers retiring now and SS on the verge of bankruptcy. The gov needs more "income" NOW not when the population evens out between people paying taxes and people collecting SS. So let young immigrants come to work and pay taxes to fill the gap.
Now they don't have to do anything about illegals, thus keeping the votes, saving money by not building a "fence". Keeping corporate america happy with cheap labor. Then bringing in more revenue all without doing nothing. That's the way they like to operate.:fire:
 
"they are just doing jobs Americans wont do"
"no one is illegal"

2016...the new democratic president of the United States has announced officially that the southern border has been erased completely! This will end the bloody border war that began to erupt in late 1990's..

the presidents of mexico and ALL central and south american countries have pledged an orderly..safe & legal exodus of millions of their citizens into the United States each year in exchange for cooperation in the southern border security agreement that fights against terrorism and the "remains" of the militant drug cartels that still have some major positions on both sides of the border..the administration sees the total elimination of such cartels as soon as major legislation is passed to decriminalize drug use of any kind.

protests by militant vigilante Americans have mostly ceased on border towns and at the white house & capital building since these activities have been classified as "hate activities" and many participants have been incarcerated for the minimum penalty of ten years and fines that could be in the millions.

the ACLU and civil rights groups applaud the current direction of the administration and remind the newly arriving immigrants..they are automatic citizens of the United States and have every right to be in this country

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of course the above is just wolf going a bit on the deep end...aint it..?? it could never happen..

so there really is no need to discuss illegal immigration/border issues on a gun forum..is there...because no one here cares about such silly matters..

now...

is the 9mm better than the .45...

wolf
 
16...the new democratic president of the United States has announced officially that the southern border has been erased completely! This will end the bloody border war that began to erupt in late 1990's..
According to The North American Community published by the Council on Foreign Relations the start up date is 2010 should all go well in the US.
 
Well Wolf, the 9mm *is* better than a .45...if you don't have a .45...:neener:
Biker
 
Biker said:
Well Wolf, the 9mm *is* better than a .45...if you don't have a .45...:neener:
Biker
biker Your killing me!!!Einstein would be proud of you.:)
I was thinking the 9mm would be better if it were the .357. Then you could shoot .38 &.38spl and 9mm ;)
 
Me 'n Eensteen have a lot in common - we're both pretty much brain dead.:cool:
Biker
 
I'm in agreement with Waitone: the Big Mo of increasing tolerance of lawlessness, starting AT THE TOP, is something we all need to be aware of and fearful of.

I don't see our Government doing anything substantive to stop the influx. I don't see the general voting citizenry of the U.S. doing anything to protest either--not unless there is serious upheaval, a dramatic uptick in criminality or social disruption caused by crushing taxes, community insolvency, etc.

Thinking that we are going to "save" America from its spending addiction and consumerism by importing millions of unskilled and largely uneducated Latin Americans who are heavy users of expensive social services qualifies, in spades, as VOODOO ECONOMICS.

Illegal alienism is just one more symptom of big problems that ultimately come back to restoring values and honorable policies.
 
I'm Hispanic, close the border. If they won't do it, let volunteers do it. Close it, any terrorist can walk across the border and blow up whatever they want. The wiretaps won't stop that.
 
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