When they come for your guns - what will you do?

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  1. Matthew Courtney

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    At the point that such a law as presented in the beginning of this thread exists, declaring war by patriots is not necessary, because the government will have declared war on us!

    Collateral damage exists in war, and as long as such damage is caused by attempts to genuinely reduce the repressors ability to repress, such attempts are wrongfully defined as terrorism.

    Attacking military or co-operating civil authorities is often wrongly described as terrorism. Terrorism is restricted to attacking civilian targets while attempting to impact your opponents resolve by affecting public opinion.

    No person who attacks military personel or civil authorities in an effort to improve his party's tactical or strategic position is a terrorist. An enemy combatant, yes. A terrorist, No.
     
  2. dischord

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    The issue at hand is you saying that blowing up thousands of people would be justified. Your insults and attempts to deflect attention from that issue will not change the fact that you were wrong to suggest that blowing up thousands of people would be justified.
     
  3. Cacique500

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  4. dischord

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    Of course we're not talking about that. We're talking about the desire to "blow myself to bits and take a few hundred or thousand with me."
     
  5. dischord

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    As long as Nightwatch stands by his claim that blowing up himself and thousands of people would be justified, the horse ain't dead.
     
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    What are the smileys doing to that ant-eater? ;)
     
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    Ahhhh...reminds me of my college days & the sorrority sisters...but I digress ;)
     
  8. Michigander

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    I think this thread has gone about as far as it is going to go.

    Before it goes too far, CLOSED!




























    oh wait, I'm not a moderator - nevermind.
     
  9. ProGlock

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    During his march into Pennsylvania in 1863, Gen. Robert E. Lee issued the following order:

    "It must be remembered that we make war only upon armed men and that we cannot take vengeance for the wrongs our people have suffered without lowering ourselves in the eyes of all whose abhorrence has been excited by the atrocities of our enemies, and offending against Him to whom vengeance belongeth, without whose favor and support our efforts must all prove in vain."
     
  10. NIGHTWATCH

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    Thank you MC :)

    dischord, whats the difference between me blowing myself up and giving my life for liberty against a hundred or thousand armed to the teeth government thugs ordered to kill us, and blowing up the same from a distance? Your definition of terrorism is flawed.

    Now, again, for all of us. Answer the direct question that has been layed at your feet...


    At what point do YOU declare war against the government?

    Answer the question.
     
  11. mountainclmbr

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    Take the fight to the ballot box!!!!!:cuss:

    Gunowners voting for the CURRENT Democrats is like Jews voting for Hitler. EXACTLY the same. That Communist Komrade Kerry has always voted exactly opposite of the impression he is trying to make with the Phesant hunt and skeet shooting propaganda pieces. He has sided with every Communist regime that has existed since he left the military. He has never opposed other Communist countries that rounded up their political opponents and KILLED them. It is the price of maintaining ultimate power.

    Kerry is a narcissistic, power hungry communist leaning politician. There is no room for private gun ownership under Kerry.

    Gun owners kept Gore out of office. They can, and should, be a stronger influence this time around. The Senate races are also important because of judicial appointments. Can the Bill of Rights be twisted to mean total government power? It remains to be determined based on how the majority votes.
     
  12. dischord

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    Now you are trying to change what you said. You never specified who those thousands would be. You simply said you would "blow myself to bits and take a few hundred or thousand with me." In fact, you even put it in the context of perhaps blowing up yourself following a mere knock at the door.

    So spare me the backpedaling that you really were talking about a pitched battle with legitimate military targets.
     
  13. artherd

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    If they come for me, let them find me attop a pile of hot brass...

    The point of confiscation by armed persons would be it for me I suspect. They enter my soverign property with intent to do harm, then they pay the price.


    Finally: I highly doubt this will come to pass. But that dosen't mean I don't have loaded mags all the time.
     
  14. itgoesboom

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    That, Sir, is a question most of us do not want to answer, because we don't want to believe that that particular course of action will be necessary.

    We want to work through the system.

    Violence, even justifiable violence, needs to be our very last resort.

    The system can still work for us. In just a couple of months, the '94 AWB will sunset. More states are recognizing the right to carry, even if it is presented as a privlidge, it is still a step in the right direction.

    States are announcing new reciprocity agreements frequently (see Washington).

    We survived 8 years under Clinton, and we have emerged out the other side of the tunnel.

    I want to make one more thing clear. I have zero fear regarding laying down my life to protect the liberty that has been granted our great nation. I want to make sure my children will grow up in the True Spirit of America.

    But I will not throw my life away, especially when there is still time to prevent the violence that so many are talking about.

    Forget what we will do in 2 or 5 or 50 years when they come for our guns. There are 80 MILLION of us nationwide. We have a military of 2.5 million.

    2.5 Million people are not going to disarm 80 million people overnight. Instead, they will do it piece by piece through the legistlative process put forth in the Constitution.

    So instead of focusing on what we will do then, lets focus on what we can do NOW!!!

    First things first, if we don't hang together, we will surely hang apart. So stop your bickering.

    On that note we need to start reaching out to the "golfers with guns" crowd and the "deer rifle crowd".

    We need to convince them that all firearm owners are at risk.

    We need to set good example of ourselves, as firearm owners, CHL holders, and sporting enthousiasts.

    Rather than go off on these anti-government tirades, which convince anyone watching that we are a bunch of tinfoil hat wearing loonies (which is how the antis portray us), we need to work against this stereotype.

    Right now the media portray us as Nazis, KKK members, back country Bubbas, and rednecks.

    While there are plenty of Bubbas and Rednecks on this board (I may even be one of them), we need to show that we are not tolerant of the Neo-Nazi Facists, and the KKK. We need to show that its not just people in the South that own firearms. We need to show that Doctors, Journalists, Lawyers, Tradesmen, LEOs and business men and women own firearms. And not just for hunting.

    We need to convince more firearm owners to pick up the "evil black rifles", just so that there are more of them being bought by honest, law abiding citizens. Each EBR that is purchased and NOT used in a crime is a contribution to our effort.

    Every CHL holder that doesn't get road rage, doesn't get into random shootouts and is courteous if pulled over helps our cause. Lets show the Police that CHL holders and firearm owners are the good guys. Let's show the rank and file that they should support us. Lets show the Country that an Armed Society is a Polite Society. Every CHL holder that maintains his spotless record is a victory for us.

    Sorry for the long post.

    I.G.B.
     
  15. Feanaro

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    Context, indeed, sir. A 'knock on the door' which could very reasonably, given the previous paragraph, be interpreted as "The JBTs coming to take my weapons away."
     
  16. Wildalaska

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    Itgoesboom:D :D :D

    Right on!

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  17. NIGHTWATCH

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    dischord! Stop marring this thread with your idiocy. What did I have to specify? Specify what? Who else would be trying to disarm me? Civilians? It goes without saying. But you chose to read what I said out of context, to the extreme. I stated sacrifice and you went off the deep end. And despite my best efforts to allow you to redeem yourself as a man, you never answered the question.
    I could not agree with you more, but the question remains.

    If you will allow yourself to be silenced because of what others might think, be my guest.


    I believe my question strikes at the heart of the matter for all of us.
    Its not an easy question to answer. :(

    Some people have children and families. Worked hard and sacrificed much to get where they are. Surrendering their guns would be the easiest choice for them. And I cant blame them. But even those folks would have a breaking point, if that very same family suffered loss (the film The Patriot comes to mind).

    I could only speak for myself. My gut reaction. Thats just me.

    Heres to those of us labeled "Worthless Internet Chest Thumpers" who are not afraid to speak their mind openly and truthfully. And for having the guts to do so! clap.gif
     
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  18. itgoesboom

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    Nightwatch,

    Right now we need numbers. Our enemy is convincing those fence sitters that we are a bunch of anti-government, KKK, Nazi loonies.

    That is a stereotype I wish that we would no longer feed. We have done a very good job of proving that we are not tolerant of the KKK types and skinhead types, but people still see us as anti-government.

    As long as we are seen as anti-government, the average everyday joe fence sitter will be afraid to join us.

    We need to work to increase our numbers, and the best way to do that is to show a positive image.

    What are we each doing to create a positive image of gun owners? Are we offering to take our friends who are fence sitters to the range? Are we working to be good examples of law abiding, freedom loving firearm owners?

    Or are we telling our friends and neighbors that they better arm themselves before the UN and the Black Helos start circling?

    Which of the two options help us more?

    The question of what do we do when they are coming for our guns, got news for you. They are already doing that through the legislative process. And no amount of internet posturing will change that. But we can work together to stop it, and we have been working together.

    The more people we convince, the better.

    The .gov is not ready to start to round up gun owners forcibly. They will do that with laws that will slowly erode our rights, and weaken us that way first.

    We still have a long way to go.

    Remember what I said above, 80 million gun owners. 2.5 million military personel.
    They aren't coming to kick in our doors just yet.

    Unless you give them an excuse, in which case you will be branded a terrorist rather than a patriot.

    I.G.B.
     
  19. obiwan1

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    What guns????????????:what:
     
  20. LynnMassGuy

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    Whew. What would I do. Something sneaky for sure. Certainly not anything I would post to the world so everyone could know my course of action. Im am sure that histories great revolutionaries would not, even if the had the technology, post their intentions all over the internet for all to see.
     
  21. Rebeldon

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    Nobody's home...:D
     
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    remember to say first.."Iwas in fear of my life"
     
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    Kudos to itgoesboom agian!

    WildsorefreshingAlaska
     
  24. roo_ster

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  25. Reno

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    itgoesboom, your 80M vs. 2.5M statistic, while more or less valid, isn't really relevant. You need to remember how many anti-2nd gun owners there are, the "handguns are just for killing people," "nobody needs an assault weapon," etc people who think the government would never come after their turkey shotgun or deer rifle.
     
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