Which 308 semi-auto? (not AR10/FAL)

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  1. breakingcontact

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    Automatically I'm leaning towards the M1A but want to consider other options.

    No AR10 type, no FAL

    I considered the FN FNAR, but it's not threaded, so that's out.

    What other semi-autos are at least as accurate and reliable as the M1A?
     
  2. eldon519

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    Not many left. SCAR 17 I guess.

    What are you wanting to do with it?
     
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    Of those, SCAR 17.
     
  5. fragout

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    In this order......

    LRB Arms M14SA or M25 (depending on planned optics over the receiver or iron sight only)
    JRA M14 or M21 (Same as above)
    Fulton Armory M14
    Springfield Armory M1A
    Scar17
    PTR91 GI

    Below pic: My better half's LRB M14SA Tanker. USGI parts, Criterion 18.5in chrome lined bbl, SEI GLFS DT-18/ Vortex DC FH.. (That's how much I lover her.)
     

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  6. breakingcontact

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    Everything that a 556 cant do.
     
  7. primalmu

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    If you can afford an FNAR, can't you also afford a few bucks to have the barrel threaded?
     
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    Kel-tec RFB

    Benelli

    Browning BAR

    Winchester 100

    Winchester SXR

    Saiga 308

    Vepr 308

    Zastava 308
     
  9. chris in va

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    VEPR for sure.
     
  10. fragout

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    Magazine comparison if the plan is to have a few spares......

    http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=109856

    Fn FnAR 20rd at 54 bucks a pop.


    http://www.44mag.com/product/m1a_m14_magazine_20_usgi/m1a_m14_magazines_usgi

    M14 (CMI) 20 rd at 25 bucks a pop.


    http://www.midwayusa.com/product/810987/fnh-magazine-fn-scar-17s-308-winchester-20-round-steel-black

    SCAR 17 20rd at 39 bucks a pop.


    http://stores.csspecs.com/saiga-308-20rd-matte-finish-extra-hard/

    VEPR 308 20rd mags at 49 to 46 bucks a pop.


    http://www.midwayusa.com/product/519948/military-surplus-magazine-hk-g3-hk91-ptr-91-cetme-308-winchester-20-round-aluminum-black

    PTR91 (G3) 20rd mags at 4 bucks a pop.



    Compare disassembly procedures.

    Compare reliability in less than ideal conditions vs a well built M14/M1A.

    Shoot both next to one another and find out which rifle YOU shoot better.

    Sugestions: Leave the bench behind.

    Reason: It's tooooooo heavy.:)
     
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  11. ugaarguy

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    Well, an LMT MWS or a KAC SR-25/M110 or an Armalite AR-10 are all more accurate than an M14 / M1A, and are more reliable. But you don't want an AR-10.

    You're considering the FNAR which is just a Browning BAR hunting rifle in modern sporting rifle trim, so it's not even as rugged as an M1A/M14. The FNAR also uses expensive proprietary mags. Yet, you're ruling out another FN product, the FAL, which is an incredibly rugged and reliable rifle that's at least as accurate as an M1A/M14, and uses widely available inexpensive magazines.

    So, that really leaves only the FN SCAR-17, a high end HK-91 clone, or maybe a heavy bbl VEPR from Molot. I guess there's also the HK SL8
     
  12. fragout

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    AR10 DGI rifles more reliable than an M14?

    Not in my experience.

    We kept the M110's in the Pelican's unless they were needed.Over half of the M14 rifles I seen down range on 4 deployments to 2 countries were mis treated, abused, neglected, (simply out of general ignorance) and generally used in place of an issued rifle by delegated SDM's. All of them still worked under these conditions and one was lucky if it even was issued with the proper sling.

    FWIW.... All of them were built in the mid 1960's. (Not SEI rebuilds)

    Take a well built NIB example that folks in the states can buy with a better bbl, properly fitted stock, and iron sights with more usefulness than BUIS, and the end owner has his money's worth.

    FTR....... I might be biased, and my reasons are listed above....among others.:)
     
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    I recently just picked up a PTR-91 A3R from Atlantic Firearms, and while I love the gun for what it is, I would definitely recommend you go with a more modern design if you plan on having a serious use for this firearm (which I'm guessing you do).

    If you've got the cash to make it happen, a Scar 17s is probably your best bet. Compared to something like my PTR, it's a much more user friendly system with a last round bolt hold open, drop free mags, adjustable stock, and monolithic railed upper for optics mounting.
     
  14. Robert

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    Well since you limited the choices and I am not a huge fan of the M1A I will say Scar 17.





    But I really want to say AR10 or FAL....
     
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    M1 Garand new stock and 308 barrel $1k from CMP.
     
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    Yep, check out the CMP M1 308 Winchester Special.

    They are completely overhauled with a new barrel and stock chambered in 308 Winchester.
     
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    PTR 91, support my local boys who just moved to my hometown.
     
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    If you would like something a little different find a properly converted to 7.62x51 MAS 49/56. If you stay away from any of the botched Century conversions you will have an accurate (battle rifle accurate) reliable piece. It has a DI gas system and it is just as reliable as an M1A, maybe more so. It is a very underrated rifle. You must use ammunition with military grade primers to avoid the possibility of slamfire. My MAS 49/56 works great, if available it would have been a better choice than a M1 Garand for WWII. Please no jokes about never being fired and only being dropped once.
     
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    VEPR in .308.
     
  20. breakingcontact

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    That sounds interesting.
     
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  22. fragout

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    How reliable are 8rd M1Garand enbloc clips in terms of feeding one chambered in 308?

    Are there any modifications to the clips themselves?
     
  23. breakingcontact

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    What are SCARs running...$2500?
     
  24. fragout

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    Looks to be around 2600 to 2700 for a SCAR17 nowadays.

    http://www.slickguns.com/product/fn-scar-17s-20rd-rifle-black-free-shipping-2619

    Metal and plastic mags are both around the same in terms of cost.
    http://www.molonlabeindustries.com/SCARmag-Dark-Earth-25-Round-002DE.htm

    Below is a parts source regarding the SCAR
    http://hi-desertdog.com/fnh-scar-.html

    Comparisons for you below........
    http://www.lrbarms.com/m14riflesstandard.html
    http://www.jamesriverarmory.com/rockola-m-14.html
     
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