Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Which are the "good" M1 Carbines?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by silverlance, Jan 1, 2007.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. silverlance

    silverlance Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2005
    Messages:
    2,142
    Location:
    In my Foxhole
    I had an opportunity recently to shoot an all-USGI M1 Carbine the guy bought from ODCMP years ago.

    I was able to blow off both ends of a yam on a stick at 75 yards, then finish it off right in the middle (yam was fist sized).

    This was using wolf gold and iron sights.

    Now I realize that CMP is coming out with M1's next year. I plan to be in line. However, I'd also like to get a real nice piece, one not mismatched and rack / field grade as these upcoming M1s likely will be.

    Which are the good ones? I know the Inlands are frowned upon a bit, but not sure why. Is it because they are not mil spec?
     
  2. mustanger98

    mustanger98 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2004
    Messages:
    2,986
    Location:
    Union County, GA, CSA
    As I recall, Inland was one of the GI makes. What you want to stay away from is Universal because not only are they not GI, GI parts won't even interchange.
     
  3. DMK

    DMK Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    8,797
    Location:
    Over the hills and far, far away
    There's nothing wrong with any of the USGI manufactures you'll get from CMP. Inland just made most of them so they aren't "special" like a Rockola or IBM.

    Anything you get from CMP will probably be rebuilt with parts from various USGI manufacturers anyway. They'll just go by the receiver manufacturer.

    Here's a list of all the manufacturers and how many were made:

    http://www.fulton-armory.com/M1Carbine.htm
     
  4. Braith-Wafer

    Braith-Wafer member

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2006
    Messages:
    58
    Probably the Paratroop ones or the Full Auto version.
     
  5. DMK

    DMK Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    8,797
    Location:
    Over the hills and far, far away
    CMP already said on their forum there will be no M1A1s(the para) and there definitely won't be any M2s(the auto).
     
  6. mustanger98

    mustanger98 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2004
    Messages:
    2,986
    Location:
    Union County, GA, CSA
    IIRC, the only difference between a regular M1 Carbine and the paratrooper version is the stock, the latter having a folder. If that's the case, if somebody wanted to put one in a folder, it's not out of the question... is it?
     
  7. alamo

    alamo Member

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2002
    Messages:
    1,219
    Location:
    austin, texas
    If that's what you want and from what I understand about these rifles, you'd better be prepared to pay big bucks. Maybe someone can give you and idea of what they'd cost.
     
  8. DMK

    DMK Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    8,797
    Location:
    Over the hills and far, far away
    Sure, you can easily turn a M1 into a faux M1A1. I'm thinking about getting two and doing that very thing to one.

    There are repro stocks around. SARCO has 'em. They're kinda pricy though. If you do it, just keep the gun's future in mind. Keep the old stock with the rifle and don't try to pass it off as a real M1A1 on some naive buyer.

    I don't even want to know what an original M1A1 stock would go for if you could even find one(although what would be the point unless you had a real M1A1 with a bad stock).
     
  9. The Real Hawkeye

    The Real Hawkeye member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2004
    Messages:
    4,238
    Location:
    Florida, CSA
    Really? I have an Inland. In fact most GI's who had an M1 Carbine in WWII carried an Inland. Who frowns on them? I never heard this in my life. :confused:
     
  10. lionking

    lionking Member

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2006
    Messages:
    1,614
    any contract carbine with original military parts even mixed I think would be real.Even it was rearsenaled,it just wont be "original from factory".

    The only way a Inland could be "frowned" upon is collector wise they are the most common to be found,functionally they are just fine,some consider the best of made.

    rarely do I link to another forum but this one deals with carbines specifically and you'll find good info here from serious carbine collectors.Again,a Scott Duff book would also be a good source.
    http://www.ambackforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=43839
     
  11. DMK

    DMK Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    8,797
    Location:
    Over the hills and far, far away
    Cool link lionking. I forgot all about that forum.

    To tell you the truth, I wouldn't be surprised if some carbines came right out of the factory as mixmasters. With high demand, subcontractors just barely meeting production, it probably want all that uncommon for parts to be substituted from various makers.
     
  12. gezzer

    gezzer Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2004
    Messages:
    2,052
    Location:
    NH
    90%+ of all M1 carbines are mis-matched done by the .gov when upgrading them after WWII. Any you find that are all factory original I'll bet were taken home by a GI in a duffle bag.
     
  13. lionking

    lionking Member

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2006
    Messages:
    1,614
    quote;To tell you the truth, I wouldn't be surprised if some carbines came right out of the factory as mixmasters. With high demand, subcontractors just barely meeting production, it probably want all that uncommon for parts to be substituted from various makers

    in fact thats right.From what I remember reading,some manufactures cant remember specifically which ones did not produce certain parts (such as barrels) and had other brands used to complete the carbine.

    BTW,I have a Inland Bluesky import with a aftermarket M1A1 folding stock.It shoots fine and is a really compact and handy carbine.

    I also have a choice condition Inland with National Postmeter stock.
     
  14. trbon8r

    trbon8r Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2005
    Messages:
    863
    Location:
    MD
    Has CMP announced the price they will be getting for their carbines?
     
  15. MAKOwner

    MAKOwner Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2002
    Messages:
    682
    Do the regular M1s have the adjustable, more "modern" rear sight? I was thinking that was the M1A1s, but I didn't think those were just the folding stock models? Are those rear sight assemblies interchangable without tooo much work?
     
  16. HiroProX

    HiroProX Member

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2006
    Messages:
    546
    Heh, I'd love to have a M2 made by Rockola. It'd be... ironic.
     
  17. U.S.SFC_RET

    U.S.SFC_RET Member

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2005
    Messages:
    1,770
    Location:
    The Old Dominion State
    The CMP have not announced Prices nor limits. but I am wiling to bet anyone a dime to a dollar that the limit per person is going to be low.
     
  18. Eightball

    Eightball Member

    Joined:
    May 31, 2005
    Messages:
    4,257
    Location:
    Louisville, KY
    I hope it is; whatever they do, I hope they make it unrealistic for a dealer to come in and buy plenty, then resell them (seen it happen, makes me furious that they're taking advantage of it :fire: ). As long as I get one, though, I'm happy.
     
  19. Father Knows Best

    Father Knows Best Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2005
    Messages:
    2,503
    Location:
    Minneapolis, MN, USA
    Early M1 carbines had a "flip" type two-position rear sight. You don't see many of those around, because the vast majority of M1 carbines were "upgraded" after the war with a host of features that were implemented during WWII. That's why even low serial number M1 carbines typically have the later style safety and rear sight, a bayonet lug, etc. If you come across a low number M1 carbine that is still in its original configuration, it's worth a LOT of money.

    My bet is that the vast majority of the carbines CMP puts on sale will be "upgraded" models with all of the post-war mods. If they have any that are in their early war configuration still, they will be priced at 3-4 times what the upgraded ones sell for, or they will be auctioned. And don't expect to get bargains at auction. When they auction M1 Garands, the prices soar into the thousands. CMP is auctioning a few dozen M1C's and M1D's right now, and prices are astronomical. One of them was over $8,000 when I looked recently.
     
  20. DMK

    DMK Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    8,797
    Location:
    Over the hills and far, far away
    Speaking of upgrades, does anybody have a list of all of the post-war upgrades? I know there was the windage adjustable, ramped rear sight and the bayonet lug. What else?
     
  21. Father Knows Best

    Father Knows Best Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2005
    Messages:
    2,503
    Location:
    Minneapolis, MN, USA
    Scott Duff's book on the M1 carbine goes into them in detail. I'm at work right now, and the book is at home, but if no one provides the list before today I will try to summarize them tonight or tomorrow. The best thing to do, though, if you're really interested in collecting M1 carbines is to buy Duff's book. You can get it through his website, and it's not expensive.
     
  22. DMK

    DMK Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    8,797
    Location:
    Over the hills and far, far away
    That would be cool. Thanks!
     
  23. kludge

    kludge Member

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2006
    Messages:
    2,634
    Location:
    Indiana
    gezzer wrote
    Let's just say that this was an IBM version, what would it be worth?
     
  24. Father Knows Best

    Father Knows Best Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2005
    Messages:
    2,503
    Location:
    Minneapolis, MN, USA
    Not enough info. It would be worth more than an Inland of comparable condition, but actual worth would be largely dependent on what configuration and condition it is in. Top dollar would only be paid for a very early one that has all matching parts correct to the time that the receiver was manufactured, i.e., it is in "as originally issued" configuration, and is in excellent condition without excessive wear, no import marks, etc. Value could be anywhere from $600 to $6000, but most probably at the low end of that range ($600-$1200) assuming very good condition and some post-war upgrades or other mismatched parts.

    Keep in mind that I expect M1 carbine prices to decline over the next few months because of the CMP announcement. Collectors are not likely to be willing to pay top dollar for anything other than pristine early M1 carbines in as-issued configuration until they see what CMP will be putting on the market and at what price.
     
  25. arthurcw

    arthurcw Member

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2006
    Messages:
    939
    Location:
    Houston, TX (a.k.a. Free City of Aztlan)
    Bingo... I'm really worried about resellers on this one. I just want one. Mismatched and ugly is fine.

    Anybody have a guesstimate on what a run of the mill service or field grade Inland might be from the CMP? I know that's like asking, "Is it going to rain on New Year’s 2007?" But ever since I got the email from CMP, I'm in a mind to speculate.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page