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which bullet self defense 223

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by LUCKYDAWG13, Nov 8, 2012.

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  1. LUCKYDAWG13

    LUCKYDAWG13 Member

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    which bullet would you load for self defense for a 223 ?
    1 in 9 twist say out to 200 yards
     
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    I use the 62 grain steel core, pulled bullets I bought in bulk from RMR.

    Jim
     
  3. ArchAngelCD

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    With 30 round magazines do you really think there's a bad bullet for the AR? Besides, with a .223 all the damage is done when the bullet enters the body and starts to tumble. The tumbling does a lot of damage while bullet expansion and deep penetration does the damage on game with a more traditional hunting caliber bullet.
     
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    thank you all for your help
     
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    I am loading 55 gr Sierra HPBT Game Kings. They are built well and should open up easily on a bad guy.

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  8. MtnCreek

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    Probably not the best choices, but I load mostly Hornady 55gr FMJ's. Cheap enough where I can afford to get plenty of trigger time and keep plenty on hand. If some situation were to occur where I needed lots of ammo, that would be the most prominent type in my stash. They make a 55gr SP that’s available in bulk; I may try some in the future.

    I keep a carbine for home defense; it's loaded with 55gr Nosler BT's. Not at all scientific, but I’ve seen what that does to a large coyote and feel comfortable it would stop an attacker.
     
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    I'm using the same logic as MtnCreek above. Out of the array of projectile types I've used in 223 and seeing what they do to coyote I would choose the 60 grain Nos. Partition.

    My close second choice would be the 55 grain Nos BT's. I've heard good things about the 75 grain TAP if you're looking for something heavier but have no experience with it.
     
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    What bullet weight depends on your AR.
    You said yours was a 1:9, so is mine.

    A 1:9, would do well with 50 -70 gr bullets.
    Mine loves 55 & 62 grainers.
     
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    Home Defense Round

    If through-the-walls penetration is not an issue (and it's not for me) I second the idea of Nosler 60gr. Partitions. I recently read a study where the author stated that the round will do maximum tissue damage and penetration, and doesn't rely on tumbling (which is unreliable below 2,700fps) to do the damage. He had some pretty interesting gel block photos to illustrate the different choices.

    I loaded 100rds. of the Nosler 60gr. Partitions last week, and they are now my defense round.
     
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    I go along with the Partition guys.I personally like the 60 gr ballistic tip for general use in my AR.The crimp groove is perfect for the oal the mags will hold,and they shoot great.I've used them on whitetails very satisfactorily too.
     
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    I like the pdx from Winchester
     
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    thank you for that good read
     
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    You're welcome!
     
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    Can someone please explain to me why people are talking about Nosler Partition bullets and hunting when the OP clearly asked about self defense bullets in the AR?

    Since we are supposed to be talking about stopping people I stand by what I said in Post #3. Go with what the military uses because they also want to stop people. The damage is done but the bullet tumbling after it hits the target, not expansion.
     
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    Self defense at 200 yds????? Will that be while the bad guys are running away or while you are running away?:)
     
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    Gamekings or Winchester Powerpoints. The FMJ stuff is fine, and the open-tip match stuff even better, but a jacketed soft point is better still.

    So says I, anyway.
     
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    Im not so sure thats a good indication...the military is limited by the hague convention and cannot use expanding bullets...given the choice i guarantee they would prefer SPs over fmj against soft targets
     
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    +1 pikid89....I have been in 17 years and counting, we are limited to ball ammo. There are many better projectiles out there that work better and are much more accurate.
     
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    I'm only talking about the .223, not ammo in general. The .223 bullet will tumble when it enters the body and it does A LOT of damage when doing so.
     
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    Yes, given enough velocity. Some of the shorter carbines would probably do much better with some type of expanding bullets rather than fmj’s. Not all fmj’s are created equal; jacket thickness and cannelure depth could have a big effect on fragmentation velocity.
     
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    I'd think 55gr Vmax would be a good stopper with minimal overpenetration...
     
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