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If we conclude that draw speed is critical, then which carry position do you feel gives you the best and fastest out of which holster ?
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Which Carry Position Is Fastest....?
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Claude Clay
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my secondary gun, usually a 642 or a 332, lives in my left vest/coat pocket. there is a divider so my car keys wont get taangled with it. so what is the draw time when i have my hand already on it?
my primary rides at 3:30 IWB. with the vest on draw time is 1.5 seconds. my winter coat has a slit inside the right pocket allowing my hand to reach through to the holster. so its may be that the gun peaks out under my coat than i draw it in the traditional sense.
my primary rides at 3:30 IWB. with the vest on draw time is 1.5 seconds. my winter coat has a slit inside the right pocket allowing my hand to reach through to the holster. so its may be that the gun peaks out under my coat than i draw it in the traditional sense.
Without your hand on the gun and from a standing position, with your hands dangling at you side, carrying concealed under an unbuttoned coat/vest/jacket...I believe the 3:00 position (just on the point of the hip) is the fastest to reach and present from.
If it is from under a loose shirt, I'd say 1:00, in front of the hip
This would change if you were seated at a table/booth or in a vehicle (which themselves are different situations, with different solutions)
If it is from under a loose shirt, I'd say 1:00, in front of the hip
This would change if you were seated at a table/booth or in a vehicle (which themselves are different situations, with different solutions)
dovedescending
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I tried a few different positions, crossdraw, 5:00 IWB, and appendix. Draw time is sub-1 second from all three with practice, but I think 5:00 strongside is the best in most situations. My draw from a shoulder holster is pretty slow still, but then, I only bought it for a lark.
dovedescending
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I think you are asking if I used a shot timer? The answer is yes.
Mine is 3:00-4:00 from IWB.
If I carry a 357, it's at 2:00 or 4:00. 4:00 is faster since it's closer to the natural hand position.
Well really I was presuming the use of a shot timer and asking just what I asked, to wit:
Was it from concealed?
Was the time measuring from the tone to the first short. In essence what were the starting and stopping points of the period of time you were measuring.
Was it from a random tone (as opposed to a known moment when you were going to start)?
I'm also curious as where your hands were prior to the signal to start.
I'm simply trying to get an idea of what the times you have stated represent. Thanks.
boltbender
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S&W 642 strong side front pocket: .8 sec is good with finger touching grip consistently sub 2 sec hand outside. I'm 60 yrs old if you want to enter that into the equation
Chris Rhines
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I'm fastest from a strong-side IWB holster under an open-front shirt or jacket, fractionally slower from AIWB under a closed-front shirt, a little slower still strong-side IWB under a closed-front shirt. We're talking about a 0.25sec. spread.
Cover garment makes a fairly big diference. Going from a loose, lightweight shirt to a heavy fleece vest improves my draw by 0.1-0.2 seconds.
Never tried crossdraw or a shoulder rig. I've tried pocket carry a few times, but don't remember how fast it was.
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Cover garment makes a fairly big diference. Going from a loose, lightweight shirt to a heavy fleece vest improves my draw by 0.1-0.2 seconds.
Never tried crossdraw or a shoulder rig. I've tried pocket carry a few times, but don't remember how fast it was.
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killchain
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I carry at the 3'oclock if it's IWB or OWB, most of the time. From that position and at a random tone I can bring it out in about a second and a half. Much quicker if I know I'm going to do it.
Ruddie
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In my hand.....
earlthegoat2
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For the pure sake of acedemics there is probably an objective answer to this question.
The more practical answer is wherever the gun is most comfortable on you while you are carrying it so you continue to carry it day in and day out. In the end, I think that will be the fastest carry position.
The more practical answer is wherever the gun is most comfortable on you while you are carrying it so you continue to carry it day in and day out. In the end, I think that will be the fastest carry position.
smince
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I find 12:30-1:00 AIWB to be much faster than any other position for me.
TCU
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we generally go off 3 seconds to draw and fire a well aimed shot or a hammer pair. I can effectivly engage a target at 5 or 7 yds with either a shoulder or hip holster with time to spare.
22-rimfire
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I prefer 3:00 or 4:00 position strong side carry. I also like cross draw at about 10:00 position with a pancake holster. If I have to go somewhere I'm nervous to begin with but still have to go, I usually go with the 10:00 cross draw position with a larger weapon. In those situtions, I don't care if the gun is visible.
Pocket carry is the slowest for me but the easiest to conceal. So, I generally pocket carry with regular clothes on my strong side or cross draw in a jacket or interior coat pocket when it is a little cooler.
Pocket carry is the slowest for me but the easiest to conceal. So, I generally pocket carry with regular clothes on my strong side or cross draw in a jacket or interior coat pocket when it is a little cooler.
Matthew Temkin
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I'll go with pocket carry, since one can have his hand on the gun in a very covert manner.
The Bushmaster
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The fastest draw CCW carry position? The one you practice the most........
I think the absolute fastest in a snub nosed revolver in a jacket pocket. Not only can you unobtrusively have your hand on your weapon but you can even fire through your pocket negating the need to draw at all. Not optimal of course but FAST. Second is front pants pocket, as long as your aren't seated, as your hand can already be on the weapon. I prefer strong side IWB. Its secure and pretty darned fast too.
jerkface11
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From watching Bob Munden I'd say open is fastest.
geekWithA.45
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We concluded this, did we?
In the real world, all you really need is some way to reliably and smoothly access your sidearm, without fumbling, nonsense, or having to disassemble anything like belts (thunderware) or coats. If you have to do much more than lean forward from a seated position, it's time to rethink your carry strategy.
Really people. Everyone needs to get off this quick draw mcgraw kick. This isn't the old west, and nobody ever squared off at high noon. (And if you were gonna do something that dumb, then, by gum, don't use an IWB. Use one of these from a drop leg position:
http://www.hoguestore.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=12)
Ya'll are arguing about +/- fractions of a second once you've Decided to Act, which will occur MANY seconds after danger's first manifestation while you work your way through Observe, Orient and Decide.
These fractions matter only when all other things are equal, when in fact as a defender, odds are really good that your first participation in the conflict will be at a disadvantage.
If you accept an equal or disadvantaged gunfight, you're doing it wrong.
MOVE. MOVE. MOVE. MOVE. MOVE. MOVE. MOVE. MOVE. MOVE. MOVE.
Get OFF the other guys line of fire.
TAKE the initiative from him.
Obtain the advantage.
I don't ever want to hear about a single one of y'all getting shot because you drew rather than MOVED YOUR BUTT.
To put it another way, if you can't avoid participating in a gunfight, choose a different gunfight than the one your adversary offers you, because he's gonna stack the deck to favor him.
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