It takes all kinds.....your friend did not understand the market, trends, what makes something hot on the market.....think S&W29, they could not give the things away before a movie came out......the guy you knew should have stuck to bonds.
Which firearms will be coveted in the future?
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It takes all kinds.....your friend did not understand the market, trends, what makes something hot on the market.....think S&W29, they could not give the things away before a movie came out......the guy you knew should have stuck to bonds.
seems hard to believe, but it will probably be a working Glock … they were the first to set the table for something new (Polymer), and that seems to be what is collectible. Something that gives military and police and edge, then when that becomes obsolete it become collectible. Revolvers that were an edge came and went, now those are collectible. M1 Garand, M1 Carbine - great history, major edge - now very collectible. The list goes on, but probably anything that is all steel will last … then there are the things that haven't been invented yet. Most firearms operate on principles that were developed over 100 years ago, seems like something really new of substance should be coming. Think substantial like smokeless powder, or functioning semi-auto … we just haven't seen it yet ..
Even though I probably won’t be around for the time frames y’all are talking about. (I’ll be with big guy upstairs). This tread has been depressing about people’s predictions. That said I’m gonna go with the ar-15. Either they are allowed and people want a classic or they are prohibited (I hope and pray not) and people need them. Either way they should function just fine.
H&K was the 1st almost 50yrs ago with the VP70.
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Frankly, none of them.
Any device that is as small and simple as a firearm will be turned out quickly by the Replicator that almost any civilized person will have in their home.
The only difference between the original and the copy may be the patina.
Any device that is as small and simple as a firearm will be turned out quickly by the Replicator that almost any civilized person will have in their home.
The only difference between the original and the copy may be the patina.
I don't know what will be worth money in years to come. A friend asked me to look over used inventory of hunting rifles at tradeexcanada. I recommended HVA 1600 Featherweight .243 with 20" "pencil" barrel. He will appreciate that gun well into old age.
Exactly! They are still around, even coveted by some.
Poly stocks and frames have been around for decades and decades. Nothing really "new under the sun". Heck even Glock is going on 35yrs.
While I certainly won't be around in 50yrs I can only hope that there is still a 2A. My plastic and wood guns will still be fine though.
.....perhaps Savage .30-30/20ga with beautiful black plastic stock? It would be quite valuable deep in Canadian Wilderness.Never really understood the SHTF side of things with people....I have no desire to live with no medical, dental, running water, power, and poop in a hole in the ground for the last of my days....been there did that and it was not fun at 24 it sure as hell is not fun at 54. Nope I live about 30 miles from a prime target, let me go in the first round.
Good grief, what a bunch of defeatists....
Back to the original question....
I think wood-and-steel will be popular. Revolvers, metal-framed self-loading pistols, bolt-action rifles. I also think there will be an interest in the "also-ran" oddities. Anything outside the AR/AK/1911/Glock axis.
Back to the original question....
I think wood-and-steel will be popular. Revolvers, metal-framed self-loading pistols, bolt-action rifles. I also think there will be an interest in the "also-ran" oddities. Anything outside the AR/AK/1911/Glock axis.
Almost impossible to predict. But it will be something in an oddball chambering or configuration that never caught on and didn't sell well. Someone joked about the 45 GAP earlier, but it has a better chance of being a prized collector item than most of the other guesses. Someone with a NIB unfired Glock 45 GAP will get a fortune for it 50 years from now.
I have my doubts about walnut/blue. I think that 50 years from now people will look back on them as quaint relics, but not something desirable to own. Much like we look back on cars with wood wheels and wooden boats today. They are cool to see in a museum, but no one uses them as daily drivers.
I have my doubts about walnut/blue. I think that 50 years from now people will look back on them as quaint relics, but not something desirable to own. Much like we look back on cars with wood wheels and wooden boats today. They are cool to see in a museum, but no one uses them as daily drivers.
I'd be willing to bet against that. GAP is laughable now it won't last another decade.
Course I won't be around in 50yrs..
I think...hope...you’re wrong. The capability gap between those old automobiles and today’s is significantly wider than the gap between a Ruger Vaquero/SBH, etc. and todays polymer guns. Aside from number of rounds, one could argue that the Ruger actually has more capabilities. So I don’t think blued steel and walnut will be relegated to the museum.
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I always lament being a poor kid in the 80's and early 90's when machine guns were still relatively cheap. They were still too expensive for a poor kid to buy, but I wish I had. I remember having a conversation with a friend with the Sheriffs department who tried to get me to buy one as an investment. He sure was right. Can you imagine picking up a few drop in auto-seers back in 1990. What are they going for now $20-$30k for a simple steel part.
I think the M1 Garands will appreciate and along with them the BM59 variants, both the fixed stock and paratrooper folding stock. I worry about AR15's even being legal. I think if somehow they are grandfathered they might appreciate, but if the 2A survives, and they're not banned I just don't see much appreciation, there are just too many of them, and without gun panics there just too darn cheap. I think some of the FN's that are kind of unique, and maybe certain 1911's and revolvers. I guess look at the replica air-soft guns the kids play with. When they get older those would probably be the guns they'll want. Oh, and think about firearms in certain popular movies,
Like the Franchi SPAS 12 Arnold Schwarzenegger used in the original Terminator. You can still find some ok Colt 1860 Army's, for a couple of grand, a lot of them were made, but that'll always be a cool looking open topped black powder revolver with history. Originals will always be something collectors will want.
I'm not much of a collector, I just own guns I like to shoot, so what do I know.
I think the M1 Garands will appreciate and along with them the BM59 variants, both the fixed stock and paratrooper folding stock. I worry about AR15's even being legal. I think if somehow they are grandfathered they might appreciate, but if the 2A survives, and they're not banned I just don't see much appreciation, there are just too many of them, and without gun panics there just too darn cheap. I think some of the FN's that are kind of unique, and maybe certain 1911's and revolvers. I guess look at the replica air-soft guns the kids play with. When they get older those would probably be the guns they'll want. Oh, and think about firearms in certain popular movies,
Like the Franchi SPAS 12 Arnold Schwarzenegger used in the original Terminator. You can still find some ok Colt 1860 Army's, for a couple of grand, a lot of them were made, but that'll always be a cool looking open topped black powder revolver with history. Originals will always be something collectors will want.
I'm not much of a collector, I just own guns I like to shoot, so what do I know.
This is really a fun thread....how long before they shut it down.
I agree with you....looking to the cars I think it would be more like a cap and ball firearm and modern....they are still out there, people still play with them....people re-pop them, and the old ones are things that come out on a sunny day to be oggled over. The vintage guns just like a model T are something that can be used....they are just used for the pure joy of using it....the difference is you don't have you use that original cap and ball pistol as there are quite a few remakes out there....where as with the model T....well no one makes a new one, so if you want that experience (and it is an experience) you have to use the old.....you don't daily drive it but you do use it.....same with boats....I know a guy that restores old Chris Craft wooden boats.....he makes a VERY good living. And people do use the boats.
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You mean sort of the way nobody has any interest in acquiring and shooting Colt SAA's? I guess nobody is buying single actions any more because they're antiquated.
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While it is very difficult to predict what is desirable or collectible in the future, many times, what eventually becomes collectible is that which is the first of something, that which is of good quality (does not have to be great), that which is scarce, and that which was longed for before adulthood.
It's like asking which cars produced today will be collectible. Who knows?
Truly, if we are talking 50 years from now, what kind of exposure do kids have with firearms and what do kids dream of having? Unless they have a connection and good memories with a parent taking them to the range, a lot of exposure has to do with video games.
Hot take here, but without political regulation, the generic AR-15, G19, and other firearms found literally everywhere will not be a collectible by and large. There are way too many of them out there. The "Honda Civic comparison" applies here - just too many produced to be collectible.
I could see something like a Bushmaster ACR, Beretta ARX, or other AR-15 competitors being collectible, though. These are proprietary and lower volume - kind of like how the Steyr AUG is desirable now for being different.
I'd also agree that the Beretta 92 is "taking the place" so to speak of the 1911. Let's say, Beretta discontinued those M9A3's or say Wilson Combat went out of business (not wishing it, just saying IF), then those guns would be highly sought after (as in the specialty ones, not the everyday 92fs or M9).
DEagles and S&W 460/500's will always be admired, sought, saved for, purchased, fired, and then sold (haha) because they are the biggest, baddest, and "best."
Almost anything 50BMG.
I would guess the FN PS90 just due to how different it is.
I estimate that desirable, high end shotguns would be good. However, most don't want a stock custom fit for someone else. .
Anschutz Fortner rifles. The 2072 Olympic Biathlon will probably still compete with these "relics." Energy rifles shoot way too flat and are unaffected by the wind (haha).
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Basing desirability of firearms in the future on current conditions is preposterous. Cities are becoming less necessary, manufacturing is becoming decentralized, direct distribution of products are becoming common, and the concepts of home construction and ownership are changing dramatically. The results of all of this change will change much of the American lifestyle, including hunting, recreational shooting and self defense.
Other technological changes like affordable CNC systems, 3-D printers that can print in metals, plastics, wood substitutes and concrete will further change shooting and hunting.
Trying to guess what firearms wile be popular from this end of history feels pretty silly to me, so I won't even try.
Other technological changes like affordable CNC systems, 3-D printers that can print in metals, plastics, wood substitutes and concrete will further change shooting and hunting.
Trying to guess what firearms wile be popular from this end of history feels pretty silly to me, so I won't even try.
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It is fun though, isn't it?
Technology, the internet, and modern communication has indeed made living in cities seem less necessary. Yet, more and more people live in them. Real estate prices continue to rise. For the last couple of decades I've wondered why in the world internet companies and software developers wouldn't just locate their headquarters or startups in more affordable places than northern California or expensive metropolitan areas. And yet the still do.
So the future is very hard to predict. Predicting what will be collectible is tough. It takes just the right set of variables. The collectible has to be in numbers large enough for it to be known, but not in huge numbers so that it's common. For example a gunsmith's one off custom creation probably won't be collectible, unless the gunsmith is someone very famous. An AR-15, short of a buying panic, or infringement on the 2nd Amendment, is probably too popular and common to ever be collectible except for perhaps sentimental reasons.
But then heck, all bets are off if some new radically different firearm technology comes along. Let's say caseless ammunition becomes the firearm system of the future, then all our guns will have the nostalgic appeal of a black powder rifle or pistol.
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Thinking about the topic a little more today, it might be a safe bet that WWII war surplus will see a big upswing in demand/popularity in about 26 years from now as the 100 year anniversary comes around (assuming of course we don't have another big war consume us in the next generation). Maybe a good topic of conversation for furturists would be what the next step in firearm technology would be. I'm going with energy weapons as battery tech is getting better thanks to cell phones and electric cars.
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I was watching a video about 5th and 6th generation fighter concepts, and apparently they have, or are developing, aircraft mounted lasers that can cut another fighter in half. So who knows what will be available over the next century. But in order for them to develop something like that as a handheld version there would have to be a huge leap in battery technology.
You might be right about the centennial of WWII being a big boost to firearms from that war. But I think those weapons are already very collectible. I don't seeing the prices being asked coming down in the future, so if one were inclined to buy a rifle for investment potential they're probably already a fairly safe bet. If you want an M1 Garand, or BM59 you probably should go ahead and get one now, because I don't think in 10 years, while they may not appreciate through the roof, they're certainly aren't going to be cheaper.
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They had a saying back when I was working in the shipyard - "If you know about it then it's already outmoded."
The ships that we were building for the Navy were primarily useful for the training and evaluation of officers and crew, not for fighting an actual modern enemy.
The same can be said about much of the inventory of our current military. These can be used to defeat our third-world opponents and to train our future soldiers and sailors but are really stop-gaps and training tools for the future.
-And our civilian weapons are nowhere near as advanced than the weapons used by the military.
Most likely, the weapons of the immediate future will be far more lethal and accurate than anything that is currently available.
Most modern weapons would probably be considered "quaint".
Who wants quaint?
The ships that we were building for the Navy were primarily useful for the training and evaluation of officers and crew, not for fighting an actual modern enemy.
The same can be said about much of the inventory of our current military. These can be used to defeat our third-world opponents and to train our future soldiers and sailors but are really stop-gaps and training tools for the future.
-And our civilian weapons are nowhere near as advanced than the weapons used by the military.
Most likely, the weapons of the immediate future will be far more lethal and accurate than anything that is currently available.
Most modern weapons would probably be considered "quaint".
Who wants quaint?
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