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Which handgun is most prone to Accidental/Negligent discharge?

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by el Godfather, May 1, 2012.

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  1. el Godfather

    el Godfather Member

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    Dear THR,
    Which handgun is most prone to Accidental/Negligent discharge? If you believe accidental and negligent discharge are two different issues kindly discuss.

    Thanks
     
  2. Geordie

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    The "unlaoded" one.
     
  3. 56hawk

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    Nambu Type 94.
     
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  5. skeeziks

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    An accident is an unexpected or unintended happening.
    Negligence is a lack of proper care or attention.
    Negligence often leads to accidents.
     
  6. David E

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    Heard this one can go off simply by squeezing the frame. :eek:
     
  7. 56hawk

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    It can. I've got one and have dry fired it that way.
     
  8. FruitCake

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    Any make or model
     
  9. Smith357

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    It's not the gun, it's the nut behind the trigger.
     
  10. TonyAngel

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    Barring design and manufacturing flaws and assuming a firearm in good working order, I don't think that any one handgun is more prone to an accidental/negligent discharge than any other. Accidental and negligent discharges are caused by improper handling due to insufficient training, insufficient practice, a failure to exercise common sense or a combination thereof.

    In short, you need to know your handgun and be proficient in its use. To get one design of handgun over another BECAUSE you think it's "safer" invites disaster. If you develop the mind set that a handgun is less prone to accidents because it has some sort of device on it, you will come to rely on that device to your detriment.

    If you are asking this question because you are considering getting a handgun for self protection, my advise would be to get one that fits your hand, that you feel comfortable with and then get to know it intimately.

    Now, with all of that having been said, I believe that handguns with either a double action only or double action for the first shot trigger system (and are carried in proper holsters) are less likely to go off unintended because it takes a long, deliberate pull to fire the first shot.
     
  11. Skribs

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    If it doesn't have a safety, then there's nothing preventing an idiot who ignored the four rules from having a ND (well, technically only two of the rules can cause a ND, but you get the point).

    If it has a safety, then there's only an idiot forgetting that he didn't flip the safety on that prevents an idiot from...see above.

    After looking at all that, I figured the simplest option would be the best. If it doesn't have a manual safety, I will never wonder whether or not its on.
     
  12. Single Action Six

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    Everyone Knows It's A..

    GLOCK!! ;)

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  13. M1key

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    The one with the do-it-yourself trigger job.

    M
     
  14. rosewood151

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    Definitely the Nambu Type 94. The sear is exposed. When the gun is cocked, the sear sticks out ever so slightly , a little pressure and bang. The even put it on the left side, so it would bounce against your body.
     
  15. TimboKhan

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    Attempting to answer this question honestly, I don't believe any modern handgun in good working order is particularly prone to an unintended discharge. Frankly, our society is litigious enough that it precludes keeping a patently unsafe handgun on the market. For example, Ruger had a massive and immediate recall when the SR9 was found to have a potentially fatal flaw in it's design.

    As far as a difference between accidental and negligent, I suppose it is a point of view. To me, they aren't exactly one and the same, but they are pretty similar. An unintended discharge would be one where the gun goes off without expressly pulling the trigger, and I suspect that is a pretty rare occurence indeed in mechanically sound guns. Accidental and negligent just imply either an honest mistake or a decidedly careless one on the part of the shooter. In both cases, it was probably (meaning almost certainly) an avoidable mistake.
     
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    A better way to phrase the question would be, "Which handgun is less forgiving of poor safety practices by the user?"
     
  17. 45_auto

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    The one that you are using.
     
  18. Ky Larry

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    Any gun my idiot bro-in-law is holding.He's living proof that not everyone should be allowed to own firearms. Boy has the mental capacity of a coal bucket.
     
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    No question in my mind - most any Ortgies and especially worn or poorly repaired ones.
     
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    This question might have been meant tongue in cheek or maybe to make a point, but a serious answer would be a Glock, because....

    1. There are more on the market in the hands of folks with the least interest in proper handling.
    2. It requires that the trigger be pulled before it can be field stripped. Yes I know the chamber should be checked clear before you pull the trigger...but were talking about a ND here. Most pistols require that the slide be retracted prior to this step
     
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    Whichever one you have in your hand at the time so be careful!
     
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    Of all modern guns?

    Glock.

    Almost every ND you read about involving cops or football players involve Glocks.

    rc
     
  23. GLOOB

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    To all that say Glock, do a search for the ND poll on this forum. There were more "oops, the hammer slipped while I was decocking" ND's than all the ND's that were even possible to attribute to a lack of a manual safety! Since the Glock doesn't have an external hammer, it's safe to say Glock ain't it. And in the comments, 1911's and revolvers were implicated many times more often than Glocks. 1911's seem to be the #1 creators of unwanted holes in bedroom walls.

    What makes the Glock so safe is a simple manual of arms, a chunky trigger guard, and a heavy trigger pull (esp compared to the weight of the gun). It's hard enough to pull a Glock trigger on purpose. You can put your finger in the triggerguard and spin and shake a stock Glock (with empty chamber) all around, and the trigger will not break.

    Now take a 3 lb gun with a 3-5 lb hair trigger, a rail thin trigger guard, an external hammer for the Curious George to mess with, and tack on a manual safety for peace of mind. Now that's an ND waiting to happen.

    Sure, a Glock is more prone to freak holster strap or other holster malfunctions due to lack of safety. But I'll bet those type of malfunctions account for less than 0.1% of all ND's. It's complete and utter nonsense to look at the "what if" holster strap/shirt tail scenarios and to blame them for the world's ND problems. It doesn't add up.

    The field stripping argument, I don't have as good an answer for. But I've read of only 1 single claim of ND while field stripping. And it was probably just CYA, because it sounded better than "well, I was playing with my gun..."
     
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  24. TanklessPro

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    IMHO, ND and AD are the same thing. In modern handguns the problem is not the gun. The problem is when you have a disconnect between brain, booger hooker, and bang switch.
    If firearms shot themselves,MSNBC would do an hour special on the evil firearm......sorry forgot they already did that.
     
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