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which is better/1858 or 1860

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by Lilbigun2958, Jan 22, 2013.

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  1. MCgunner

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    Well, when watching sci fi, my wife has a saying, "suspension of disbelief". I'm a shooter, not a historian, and have molds and am set up for .44. My brasser is .44, the 5" barrel is a .44 (won't work on a .36), and the spare cylinders I have for it are .44, so I want a steel frame .44.:D I have no desire to jump into .36 caliber at this time. I doubt a 5" Navy is historically correct no matter caliber, either, but hey, I WANT it, it's handy, and in .44, I can get a Navy and a wedge and set myself up.

    I didn't buy a "historical replica", I bought a shooter. What's your opinion of the ROA? It's not historical and it's the absolute, without contest, the best shooter I own. Hell, I even have a CVA Wolf inline with scope mounted for hunting.

    Oh, edit, BTW, did Remington ever make a 5.5" .44? I don't know, but I do love the short barrel version. I'd REALLY like to get a short barrel Vaquero style ROA, but the prices has kinda gone up and, frankly, the li'l Pietta is a heckuva shooter bought and an unbelievably low prices on sale at Cabelas. Hard to beat, methinks.
     
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    BTW, tpelle, if I ever buy YOU a cap and ball, I'll make sure it's historically correct. :D
     
  3. MCgunner

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    "which is better/1858 or 1860"

    Yeah, kinda went off track. Sorry. :D I did vote Remmy, didn't I? Hell, I can't even remember.
     
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    MCgunner,

    Hey, I really appreciate the offer! In the meantime, good shootin'.
     
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    Yeah, If I had the spare cash, I'd order one for ya just to shock ya. ROFLMAO! Anyway, different strokes. I don't mind if a pistol is period correct, even with the "Pietta" stamp on it, but I'm really more about shooting than historical reenactment or something. That's sorta why I prefer the Remmy, it's just a better shooter than any Colt I've fired, though I've never fired an 1960. I sure like the way the 60 looks, it's a handsome piece, and I'll likely end up with one down the line just because of THAT.
     
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    Remington never made a 5 1/2 " bbl pistol (58 Remy) from the factory,(no "Sheriffs or in my case, Gunslinger, ( My cut down 58 Remy reproductions(Euroarms or ASP), Models. But I hazard a guess that many were cut down in the conversion timeframe to clear leather easier than the 8 " bbl's.

    Look for the re emergence of the Gunslinger.

    BTW I would love a 44 Colt Navy...if it had the original Grips,. TG, and Back Strap. One can add the said parts to a 1860/62 Army and I think it would be sweet for someone with small hands like myself. The 1851 Colt Navy still points and shoots the best of any I have held or shot. I suspect the 1860 or 62 Army might point and shoot just as well with the '51 Navy TG, Back strap and grips.

    I choose to shoot the 58 Remy by Armi San Paolo or Euroarms as it is based on the Remington - Beals Elliot's Transition to NMA(second frame type, There were 3 types)) as it is patterned after the Remington - Beals frame which is smaller than the Remington NMA.
     
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    My 2 "cents worth"!
    I shot my Remmy today, it solid, reliable, and if I had to have one to bet my life on it gets my vote.
    Shot my 1860 last week, it feels better, looks better, loading lever is better, easier to cap and is easy clean. Just to shoot and make smoke the colt gets my vote.
     
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    Can you provide the free body diagram that supports that theory?
     
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    Just an update - I mentioned earlier I had some drama with the 1860 getting caps to fire. I took it out again with some screws tightened and Remington caps and everything's working now. I'm almost embarrassed to say that I'm getting tighter groups with it than my 1858. I think I like the sights a bit better with the 1860. The wedge thing's still a pain and I found that it gunked up and I had to clean the arbor about as fast as with the 1858. I think I should have used more lube though - I put in more the second time and it seemed to help to keep things moving.

    I still think the 1858's more straightforward for a first timer but I can believe in a year the 1860 will be my favorite. Or not. Hard to say, really.
     
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    I've been shooting Uberti Colts and 2nd Generation Colts since the 70s. Never had problems with that design. Some of my favorite models are Colts.

    A couple of years back I purchased a Uberti New Army (Remington) in Stainless. I really like it too. I will add that the older I get - the more I like stainless guns.

    There is nothing wrong with either. Both, will outlast you given proper care and cleaning. Get which ever you like.
     
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    I like them all I have most all . I agree wiyh the get the one that stricks your fancy the most and get others later. All are good shooter some better than others. Ruger 45 old army.
     
  12. MCgunner

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    ^^^^ +1 ^^^^

    Well, 'cept I'm still working on the "have them all" part. :D
     
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    I'm a history nut too (wife has Masters in history) but I don't have a problem with .44 Navies. Actually, I'd like to have one as a cartridge conversion.

    I also think that the only reasonable response to the original question is "one of each". Two or three of each is even better. :D
     
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