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Which is the safest autoloader when round loaded in chamber?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by el Godfather, Mar 27, 2012.

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  1. Seven For Sure

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    I guess if you have no finger control, any pistol with a safety that happens to be on when you pull the trigger inadvertantly. Otherwise treat every gun like it's loaded with safety off. Can't go wrong there.
     
  2. 9mmepiphany

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    This thread is drifting, it isn't about shooter technique, it is about which pistol is the mechanically the safest independent of the shooter's training.

    Let us please stay on-point
     
  3. gym

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    1911 45 Colt series 70.
     
  4. supham

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    My LCP. I think it has a 72lb trigger pull with 3" of travel.
     
  5. exavid

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    Most any DAO pistol. LCP and LC9 are fine examples, long trigger pull and double action weight of pull. No need for a safety or to use a safety on these type guns.
     
  6. meanmrmustard

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    Some of the lighter DAO triggers would make me feel a wee bit unsafe carrying one in the pipe, such as a Glock for example. Then I hear about folks lightening that pull even more. Cripes!
     
  7. Nushif

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    Sure, but remember. We're talking about mechanically safe here. And just in terms of being mechanically safe a 20 pound DAO trigger pull with no drop safety isn't very safe. Because all that has to happen is that the trigger needs to be pulled.
    The keyword really is MECHANICAL safety.
     
  8. TonyAngel

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    I really mean no disrespect to anyone, but I've been away from THR for a little while, I come back and find that threads/questions like this one are actually being entertained. The OP's question really makes it sound like he intends to rely on a mechanical safety mechanism. I can only imagine how many people have been accidentally shot by a firearm that presumably had the safety engaged.

    My advise would be to go and take a firearm safety course or two and then start to think about getting a firearm.

    In any case, if I had to go down the road of answering the question, I'd say that the safest handgun is the Glock, just based on my experiences with several handgun designs. In its 100%, ready to go condition, the pistol will have a round chambered, but is not "cocked." The action of squeezing the trigger is what cocks the pistol in preparation to fire. The Glock (like most modern firearms) also incorporates a firing pin safety (which I believe some here are referring to a "drop" safety).

    With the Glock, there is no false sense of security. If you know the weapon and treat it properly, you know that when you draw it from its holster and you squeeze the trigger, it's going to go bang. No ifs, ands or buts. The only way it's going off is if you squeeze the trigger.
     
  9. exavid

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    I should have said most any DAO with a hammer, striker fired pistols are another story since they will fire with a lot lighter, shorter trigger pull.
     
  10. meanmrmustard

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    Mechanical safety appears nowhere in the OP.
     
  11. Fremmer

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    Supham made me laugh. I'm right there with ya on my new p1. Gotta be at least a 12 pound d/a pull.
     
  12. exavid

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    Just because all you have to do is pull the trigger doesn't make the gun unsafe. The aforementioned hammer operated DAO would be safe to carry with one in the spout just as a modern revolver is safe to carry with all six chambers loaded. Not many revolvers ever had a mechanical safety. They're not needed because they either have to be cocked prior to firing or in the case of a DA revolver the trigger has to be pulled. Typically a DA revolver has a long, and somewhat heavy trigger pull. The same as a hammer equipped DAO autoloader. In neither case will the gun fire without considerable pressure on the the trigger and a long pull. These kind of guns are safe to carry with loaded chambers without the use of a safety.
    If you want a gun with absolute safety with a round in the chamber remove the firing pin.
     
  13. dmazur

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    Often misunderstood. The 1911 hammer, when lowered, rests against the slide. The firing pin has moved (perhaps) halfway against the firing pin spring, but does not protrude. This is the meaning of the term "inertial".

    In order for the firing pin to travel all the way and hit the primer, it has to be struck by the hammer at speed in order to develop enough inertia to overcome the firing pin spring.

    A related misunderstanding is thinking that dropping the 1911 on its hammer is what causes unintentional firing in drop tests. It is dropping it on its muzzle that creates sufficient inertia in the firing pin for it to fire the primer. (Strangely enough, without any motion of the hammer at all...)

    Titanium firing pins reduce the inertia and make the 1911 drop-safe, without the complexity of firing pin blocks.

    So, Condition 2 is a safe enough method of carry -- the problem lies in getting it into Condition 2 without letting the hammer slip from under your grip (compromised by the bobbed hammer spur and beavertail grip safety) and firing the chambered round...

    If you're really, really good with this, you then need to practice it with cold, wet hands (and an unloaded 1911) and see how it works.

    Those with GI pattern 1911's need not play. Yours are already easy to put into Condition 2. :)
     
  14. mingansr

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    I like my x d 40 with a SAO trigger. The combination of the USA trigger and a grip safety give me the confidence to carry with the barrel pointed at my parts IMPO

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