ljnowell
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My GSR Revolution is a tack driver and is as reliable as all get out.
Which is the worst .45 pistol ever made in your opinion?
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My GSR Revolution is a tack driver and is as reliable as all get out.
Moondoggie
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Llama. Worst jam-o-matics I ever dealt with. There was no fix for the ones I had in the 80's.
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They weren't too bad if you got an action job. I've heard Crimson Trace is looking at making a laser for the gun.
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I had a Star that was a pure blowback action. Wouldn't group as well as a 12ga at 20yds, jammed if you held your mouth wrong and shook parts off, ((sights and grip panels) on a regular basis. On a good point, I think it was painted black but didn't seem prone to rust.
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Every time one of these "What's the worst 1911" threads comes up, Llama is first on the list and, I suppose, with good reason.
However, I have a Llama Especial .45. It was made in the 70s, imported by Stoeger and I bought it LNIB in the 70s from a friend. I think I paid $75.00 for it. It was my first handgun purchase. It has never failed to fire, and the only time it failed to feed was when I tried to feed it SJHP. I have enjoyed the gun and will probably never sell it, if only for sentimental reasons. Just saying ...
However, I have a Llama Especial .45. It was made in the 70s, imported by Stoeger and I bought it LNIB in the 70s from a friend. I think I paid $75.00 for it. It was my first handgun purchase. It has never failed to fire, and the only time it failed to feed was when I tried to feed it SJHP. I have enjoyed the gun and will probably never sell it, if only for sentimental reasons. Just saying ...
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SPM said:
Every time one of these threads comes up somebody has a story about how they got a good one and what a stellar gun it is. I don't have a problem believing that, Llama made some good pistols, so did Jimenez but I think overall they are an inferior product.
I own a Llama Minimax (?) in .380 that has never had an issue but I had nothing but trouble with my 9mm or .45ACP Llamas and ended up giving both away.
I’m not really into 1911s so I wouldn’t even be in the market but if I was I would skip the Llamas
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Read JR24's post and he is right.
Couple weeks back I decided to shoot my P220, after along spell of not doing so, This is my night stand gun so I thought it would be prudent to take some practice with it and leave my 1911's at home. Gun is always loaded with Hydrashocks for home defense and whenever I shoot it I pop for a box and rotate the ammo. Given todays ammo prices I brought along 100 rounds of my favorite 1911 reloads. Sure enough they were to long for the magazines
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Are the Germans just messing with us or is this a European thing.
Does anyone know if CZ's are the same way?
I've been pondering either a new Colt commander or a CZ97.
Buy the way my P220 is the older stamped slide model. It has been 100% reliable and the most accurate service grade .45 I have ever owned, except, I guess, with my reloads.
Couple weeks back I decided to shoot my P220, after along spell of not doing so, This is my night stand gun so I thought it would be prudent to take some practice with it and leave my 1911's at home. Gun is always loaded with Hydrashocks for home defense and whenever I shoot it I pop for a box and rotate the ammo. Given todays ammo prices I brought along 100 rounds of my favorite 1911 reloads. Sure enough they were to long for the magazines
.Are the Germans just messing with us or is this a European thing.
Does anyone know if CZ's are the same way?
I've been pondering either a new Colt commander or a CZ97.
Buy the way my P220 is the older stamped slide model. It has been 100% reliable and the most accurate service grade .45 I have ever owned, except, I guess, with my reloads.
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spm
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Yeah, you're right, I guess I'm no better than the those who denigrate the Llama. And I'm sure that I am in the minority on this subject. As I indicated at the end, it may just be a sentimental fondness for my first handgun.
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gandog56
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Easy, a Hi-Point!
I put in a joke bid on one for $40 once, and it won the danged auction. Got the stupid thing after shipping and a transfer fee that cost more than the purchase price. Thing was half plastic, but seemed to weigh about two 1911's to me. Unnatural grip andle, and stupid ergonomics on the grip caused me to have to hold it really high with my small short fingered hand. This couased the slide to whack me between my thumb and index finger every time. But that was assuming the stupid thing loaded the round in the first place. It never EVER, even once, went through a magazine without a failure to load or extract. I finally gave up on it and gave it to my little brother. He uses it as a one shot shark killer when he goes fishing in the Gulf. The only thing that thing ever did right was once the round loaded, it went bang every time you pulled the trigger.
I put in a joke bid on one for $40 once, and it won the danged auction. Got the stupid thing after shipping and a transfer fee that cost more than the purchase price. Thing was half plastic, but seemed to weigh about two 1911's to me. Unnatural grip andle, and stupid ergonomics on the grip caused me to have to hold it really high with my small short fingered hand. This couased the slide to whack me between my thumb and index finger every time. But that was assuming the stupid thing loaded the round in the first place. It never EVER, even once, went through a magazine without a failure to load or extract. I finally gave up on it and gave it to my little brother. He uses it as a one shot shark killer when he goes fishing in the Gulf. The only thing that thing ever did right was once the round loaded, it went bang every time you pulled the trigger.
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i have a crown city that is an absolute joy. plum anodized aluminum frame, colt barrel, bomar sights, set trigger, totally reliable.
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jimherb
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Beretta 9000.
gandog56
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Yep, but when the thing constantly had failures to feed or extract? I mean I didn't bid on a single shot pistol!
Zerodefect
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Any cheap, mass produced 1911.
1911's are great when you spend time and attention to detail. Use quality parts. But cutting corners is not something you can do with any complex machine designed in the early 1900's.
1911's are great when you spend time and attention to detail. Use quality parts. But cutting corners is not something you can do with any complex machine designed in the early 1900's.
Jack19
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Hands down, no question, the Kimber Compact Aluminum.
Mine had more issues than Sybil (feeding, extraction, ejection, slide lock, you name it,) and Kimber's "customer service" was absolutely, positively, beyond worthless. I sold it after figuring out it was going to cost me a few hundred to have a competent smith put it right....Kimber made it clear they would not.
This was, probably, 12, or more, years ago...and I'm still
Kimber is dead to me.
Mine had more issues than Sybil (feeding, extraction, ejection, slide lock, you name it,) and Kimber's "customer service" was absolutely, positively, beyond worthless. I sold it after figuring out it was going to cost me a few hundred to have a competent smith put it right....Kimber made it clear they would not.
This was, probably, 12, or more, years ago...and I'm still
Kimber is dead to me.
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In retrospect I think worst for me was the Taurus Pt24/7 pro.
Everyone is forgetting when Colt gleefully shoveled out garbage, and because they were the only game in town, everyone had to live with it.
I have an M1911 45ACP Colt Combat Elite, purchased in the early 80’s. The barrel and slide unlocked too early in the pressure curve. The pistol acted closer to a blow back pistol than a locked breech. The slide would go recoil back hard, hit the recoil spring guide, which then peened the frame. The peening was bad enough that the frame needed replacing within 3000 rounds. Colt replaced the frame but did not change the barrel or slide and the unlock geometry stayed the same. I installed shock buffs. Shock buffs slowed the peening, but that pistol would chew up a shock buff in one hundred rounds. Since Colt only warranted their M1911’s for three years, I decided that the new frame would peen out after the warranty was over and I needed to do something.
I sent the pistol off to Wilson Combat, had them install one of their barrels, did a bunch of other work too. The total cost tripled the price of the pistol. The pinky of the dumbest Wilson Arms gunsmith knows more about M1911's than the entirety of Colt Customer Service. Wilson Arms properly installed the barrel, the dwell is correct and the slide is not peening the frame. The worksmanship on everything was top notch. I still use shock buffs, they proved their worth, and I have one excellent 45 ACP. After more than $1200, I have a 45 ACP that is as good as my Kimber Custom Classic.
Notice the finish wear on my Custom Classic? It got that way through use.
This Colt barrel came off a friend's Colt Combat Target Pistol. That ring in front of the chamber is directly under a locking lug recess. This is a manufacturing defect, Colt damaged the barrel when cutting the locking lug recess.
In summary, I am not paying extra for the Pony.
I have an M1911 45ACP Colt Combat Elite, purchased in the early 80’s. The barrel and slide unlocked too early in the pressure curve. The pistol acted closer to a blow back pistol than a locked breech. The slide would go recoil back hard, hit the recoil spring guide, which then peened the frame. The peening was bad enough that the frame needed replacing within 3000 rounds. Colt replaced the frame but did not change the barrel or slide and the unlock geometry stayed the same. I installed shock buffs. Shock buffs slowed the peening, but that pistol would chew up a shock buff in one hundred rounds. Since Colt only warranted their M1911’s for three years, I decided that the new frame would peen out after the warranty was over and I needed to do something.
I sent the pistol off to Wilson Combat, had them install one of their barrels, did a bunch of other work too. The total cost tripled the price of the pistol. The pinky of the dumbest Wilson Arms gunsmith knows more about M1911's than the entirety of Colt Customer Service. Wilson Arms properly installed the barrel, the dwell is correct and the slide is not peening the frame. The worksmanship on everything was top notch. I still use shock buffs, they proved their worth, and I have one excellent 45 ACP. After more than $1200, I have a 45 ACP that is as good as my Kimber Custom Classic.
Notice the finish wear on my Custom Classic? It got that way through use.
This Colt barrel came off a friend's Colt Combat Target Pistol. That ring in front of the chamber is directly under a locking lug recess. This is a manufacturing defect, Colt damaged the barrel when cutting the locking lug recess.
In summary, I am not paying extra for the Pony.
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