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Which Mosin-Nagant should i get?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Antihero, Dec 21, 2006.

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What nagant should i get?

Poll closed Mar 31, 2007.
  1. m91/30

    45 vote(s)
    54.9%
  2. m44

    18 vote(s)
    22.0%
  3. m38

    19 vote(s)
    23.2%
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  1. Antihero

    Antihero Member

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    So which mosin-nagant do you guys think id like more? What im looking for in order of importance is

    1 Accuracy (guns are no fun no matter how little you paid if you cant hit anything)

    2 Least recoil (guns are no fun when they hurt you no matter how little you paid)

    3 Best value,such as which has better sights etc.
     
  2. ArmedBear

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    Rifles. The rifles.

    The carbines kick like little mules. I just like carbines, in general, so I got a couple M38's, and will probably trick one out for pigs.

    But it seems you can get a nice 91/30 rifle for a few bucks cheaper than a nice carbine, they're more accurate, they kick less, and they have a longer sight radius, too.

    I just didn't want to get a gun that's longer than my sidelock muzzleloader, and try to hunt with it here in brush country.:)
     
  3. Antihero

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    I should have mentioned that this would be just for target shooting and general I-have-a-surplus-rifle-ness. It wouldnt be used for hunting or anything else.
     
  4. ArmedBear

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    Definitely go for the 91/30 then. An infantry rifle, it is readily available with sling, pouches, bayonet, etc. for well under a hundred bucks in great shape.

    It's a true piece of history, a good shooter, with manageable recoil, and one of the surplus-rifliest rifles of all.
     
  5. George S.

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    It doesn't really matter which one you get first. The sickness called "Mosinitis" will set in and you will wind up getting at least one of each type. :D

    The M38 and M44 will kick pretty good but sometimes that's half the fun in the carbines. Try shooing one of the carbines around dusk and you will get a fireball that looks like a rocket blasting off!

    My 91/30 kicks but not much more than my 1903A3. One nice thing about the 7.62x54R is that you can find reloadable cases and create your own soft loads so you can have a fun day at the range and not have to go a put your shoulder in traction. In any event, a shoulder pad or a slip-on recoil pad is a very good investment :)
     
  6. ArmedBear

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    Wal-Mart here has quality brass Winchester 7.62x54R FMJ. Shoot 'em, then reload 'em!
     
  7. Blackfork

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    Finn Nagants

    For not much more money you can get a Finn-made nagant. Try www.myoldrifles.com or one of the auction sites.

    And ditto on the handloads. A doctor friend of mine shoots Nagants with "cats sneeze" loads. 2-4 grains of powder, toilet paper and a buckshot. It's very quiet in a Nagant. Suposedly it was a silent load to drop sentries with. I'd find myself a light cheaper bullet, say about a 120 or 100 grain and shoot it with the lightest load of powder I could. Handloading for a rifle that takes readlily available cheap ammo may sound nuts, but maybe you could make "mexican match" ammo- pull the bullet, re-weigh and cut the powder charge.

    Or just shoot the available mil-surp stuff and buck it out. Plugs and muffs, plus a jacket.
     
  8. Antihero

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    Uh oh....ive already got Milsurpitis and to a lesser extent Enfielditis, is Mosinitis any worse? Will I <sniff> die?:uhoh:

    My milsurpitis is getting so bad im thinking of firing my fathers Carcano that looks to be in "Holy Crap thats not a gun its a dust and cobweb farm!" shape(actually its been checked out by a gunsmith and its in shootable shape).

    Why do things llike this always happen when you dont have much money?????:cuss: :fire: :banghead: :(
     
  9. Antihero

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    If its less than a 12 gauge firing slugs in a 6lb gun im good.
     
  10. possum

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    i like the m38's the best, but like was said they will have a bit more recoil and won't be generally as accurate as the longer bareled longer sight radius of the 91/30. giving your wants i would say go with the 91/30.
     
  11. Juna

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    How much does 7.62x54R cost?
     
  12. CU74

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    You can typically get the 440-round cases for under $50. Right now, milsurp 7.62x54R is about the cheapest ammo around. (Don't even ask about the 6.5x55 Swiss:cuss: .)

    Get the 91/30 first. It won't be long before you're looking for the M44 and then the M38 and then "moving up" to one of the Finns.
     
  13. Juna

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    How does that compare to 7.62x39 prices? I know both are cheap. I'm just toying with the idea of getting Mosin Nagant some time. Is the recoil really that bad?
     
  14. jesse485

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    In the full sized 91/30, no. But I don't have experience with the others though.
     
  15. meef

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    Recoil can be ever so tamed with the simple addition of a Limbsaver slip-on recoil pad.

    It just makes all those shoulder-abusing bad boys soooo much more fun to shoot.

    Try it, you'll like it.
     
  16. DrDeFab

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    M44, with one qualification: get a post-war model, 1946-48. Fit & Finish is MUCH better. I don't have any hard evidence, but I strongly suspect that accuracy is a little better as well.

    As has been mentioned, it will kick a little more than a 91/30*, but it's lighter & handier.

    * ...but not half as bad as my Rem 7400 carbine in 30-06.
     
  17. Dionysusigma

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    Get an M38 and cut it down! :D :evil:

    In all honesty, I like the carbines. 'Course, I like recoil (and am a terrible shot to begin with), so...
     
  18. musher

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    For under 300, get one of each and do your own evaluation!
     
  19. 270Win

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    7.62x54R is significantly cheaper than x39 at this point. x39 is what, about $160 for 1000 rounds now? You can get 440 rounds of Hungarian silvertip for $44.00... 880 rounds therefore being $88.00 plus shipping. 1320 rounds for $132 (plus shipping).

    That's 16 cents a round for x39, and 10 cents a round for x54R (I think). Plus if you go to gun shows, not only can you skip shipping costs altogether, but you can often find cheaper prices. I've seen huge quantities of Polish, Bulgarian, Hungarian, Czech, Russian, you name it... for what amounts to $50 per 1000 rounds. Although the lowest prices usually have some accompanying problem... like a totally mixed lot, you'll hav to sort it out yourself... or very corroded casings... etc.

    On a side note, I voted M38 because it's less cumbersome, accurate, a hell of a lot of fun, and I have no need for the M44's bayonet.
     
  20. Cosmoline

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    I'd suggest buying a Finn M39 now, as those are about 100 more scarce than the Soviet 91/30's. You should also look into getting an M-91 or M-30 Tikka. They're still under three bills but they won't stay that way. They tend to be much more accurate than the Soviet Mosins.
     
  21. Ida Noski

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    Antihero,
    "Uh oh....ive already got Milsurpitis and to a lesser extent Enfielditis, is Mosinitis any worse? Will I <sniff> die?"
    Yes. We're all going to die, sometime:)
    You will no doubt end up with the three main versions of the Mosin.
    91/30 for reasons already stated.
    M44 for fun with a bayo.
    My fave is the M38. I'm a carbine fan. People rant about the kick. If you shoot enfields there is not much difference.
    Place that rifle butt solidly into your shoulder and squeeze the round off while focusing on the front sight. Most folks that complain about the recoil usually do not get the rifle tight up against the shoulder before pulling the trigger.
    Get one (or more) while the ammo is still cheap.
    Surplus ammo of all calibers will be drying up here as time goes on.
    If you have a Big 5 in your area they are a great place to see what you buy before making the purchase.
    Let us know what you end up with.
    Good shooting and "Hold Hard".
    Jim
     
  22. Ohen Cepel

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    With your criteria I would say the 91. The others have a lot more recoil (for me at least). None of mine are what I would call accurate. However, with iron sites on an old battle rifle I'm happy with them.
     
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    M44 from Interordinance.

    I just received two M44's from Interordinance and they are awesome. I picked the laminate stocked ones. These look like they just came off the assembly line! The bores and actions are pristine. The action on both is pretty stiff.

    I've not had a chance to fire them yet but I'm very please with what I have at this point.

    The barrel, receiver and bayonet are blued. The bolt is not.

    I'm giving Interordinance a recommendation over these. They are slow to ship, it took three days for them to pull them and ship them and four days to receive them but the wait has been worth it.

    I have a C&R so it is cheaper for me to direct order. I saved the 01 FFL fee on both which is around 50 or so depending on FFL.
     
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  25. ArchAngelCD

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    I like my 91/30 better than my son's M44, but then again, that's why I bought it!! :neener: If you're looking for accuracy then get the 91/30 since the longer rifle is more accurate than the carbine. If you buy a carbine get the M38 since the bayonet on the M44 can get in the way. I have fun with the 91/30, probably the best $96 I've spent on a rifle. Also, the 91/30 has less felt recoil than the carbine but the carbine in no way kicks like a mule as posted in this thread by someone. You should shoot 147 gr ammo since that's what the gun was intended to shoot, not the 180 gr stuff that also available.
     
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