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Which of these can lay down the most firepower

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Golden_006, Nov 21, 2009.

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  1. Golden_006

    Golden_006 Member

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    choose the rifle that would lay down the most firepower . . .

    A. An SKS pinned to 5 with stripper clips
    B. A Garand pinned to 5 with 5 round hunting stripper clips (by the way I've heard garand come in 5 is this true?)
    C. a Ruger mini with the 5 round factory mag and you can have several
    D. A Browning BAR since with only 5 it doesn't matter much and I'd just as soon have the accuracy
    E. Something like a Marlin lever/hunting gun since with 5 rounds it doesn't matter much and I'd take the accuracy instead
    F. None of the above/Other/ You're getting smoked with only 5 rounds given the above criteria so it doesn't matter much
     
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  2. Broken11b

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    First, slow hits trumps fast misses... every time.
    Second, if you are talking about suppressing fire, it only works ifyou have at least a fire team, a squad would be preferable.
    One man armed with a five shot rifle cannot... I say again, cannot, lay down enough fire to be effective in the supressive role. All he can do is be accurate, your firepower ideas are a mute point.

    And last, dont watch tv and think thats how combat works. Thats TV, talk to a real soldier and ask him what he thinks of that.
     
  3. longdayjake

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    If you have several 5 round clips, then the garand is what I would choose. I have yet to find any gun that reloads faster than a garand.
     
  4. Broken11b

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    Garands reload fast, but that doesnt change the fact that more time will be spent reloading than firing.
    Learn how to be accurate quickly, it will serve you better than learning how to waste ammo loudly.
     
  5. Golden_006

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    It looks like they make stripper clip in 5 for the garand http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MAG244-1.html

    I assumed that meant mags come in 5 for hunting but it could be for an extended mag and you load 5 at a time for the garand sort of like with the extended mag of a mauser?


    Well in that case I sould get the mini and a scope. Seems like the only cost effective / high resale value of the lot to justify a scope. Plus a would think detacchables are pretty fast . . .
     
  6. Broken11b

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    well, unless somthing changed with the M1 and nobody told me, its not a stripper clip, the whole clip is inserted en-mass into the rifle, there is no extended mag for the M1... unless your refering to the M-14

    p.s. it is a shame that it you are limited in your selection and permission is required for you to even possess a rifle.
     
  7. bang_bang

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    5 rounds = NO FUN!!
     
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    The lever action! If you are limited to five rounds, then you will need the ability to reload at any time, instead of when your clip/mag runs dry.
     
  9. rcmodel

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    The lever-action was the original assault rifle.

    A good lever-gun man can stuff shells in the tube occasionally while keeping up steady aimed fire and never run dry.

    rc
     
  10. Z-Michigan

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    What is the point of this, really?

    The lightest weapon that you could reasonably apply those words to is an RPK. Apart from that it's mostly belt-feed LMGs and GPMGs.
     
  11. C-grunt

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    I gotta agree that aimed fire beats spray and pray any day of the week. Remember that in Vietnam a lot of troops were taught to shoot full auto. Thats not the case anymore. No one is trained on the burst or auto selectors of their rifle anymore. If my Drill Sergeant found your rifle on burst it was a bad day.

    Hell even machine gun training is short bursts.

    Of the rifles you listed I would go with either the Garand or the lever action for the reasons others have already stated.
     
  12. esquare

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    Okay, I must have missed the 5 round thing - what's up with that?

    Second, AIM, AIM, AIM. My gosh, you've been watching too much TV!

    Third, check you stats on the use of full auto and spray and pray.

    Fourth, high cap mags were banned for no good reason. They weren't heavily used in crime, and as it turns out, swapping 10 round mags doesn't really take very much time. :)

    Care to elaborate on WHY you want to 'lay down the most firepower?'
     
  13. Golden_006

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    I want the most evil firearm I can possess to prove bloombergs bs laws are useless. Plus who doesn't wAnt the option of laying down a lot of fire if the situation arose?
     
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    You want something fun and evil...move out of NY. Otherwise, face the consequences and deal with the laws associated with living in NY.
     
  15. Nick Nasty

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    It's useful for many things. Standard US Army skill level 1 and 2 training emphasizes fire teams using suppressive fire for advancement or flanking. Fully automatic weapons are necessary on moving platforms and useful against moving targets. It also has a unique and useful psychological effect on the enemy as.

    There is more than one way to fight the enemy, and "aim aim aim" isn't a fits-all solution for every situation.

    That said, I don't understand the premise of this thread (a silly selection of rifles laying down suppressive fire with five rounds?).
     
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    Well, thats the point isn't it! A team can use supressing fire... just one man needs to aim. Even a team needs to aim, just shooting fulll auto is a waste. supression is acheived through an accurate and high volume of fire, not just spraying. Aiming is a solution.
    And it is almost comical to assume that one can get that much firepower with a five round capacity.
    Try getting a semi auto shotgun, might fit better with your idea, minus the high volume of fire.
     
  17. esquare

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    Ha - well, this has turned into a silly thread. Maybe you should get a paintball gun with a 300 round hopper. It will probably be more useful to you anyway.
     
  18. Shadow Man

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    I had a response all typed up, listing most of the ways in which the OP's logic was flawed, but my computer inneptitude caught up with me and I accidentally hit 'cut' not 'copy.' So now you will have to do without all of those wonderful examples, and just heed this: You couldn't be farther from the truth...less TV, more reality...please.
     
  19. tju1973

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    fire all you want, but if you don't hit the target, then what is the point?

    Aimed shots. Adjust your sights.

    There is a reason a bunch of farmers beat the British Empire after all...
     
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    Hello friends and neighbors // E: Lever Action
     
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    Spray and pray is a bad idea on prom night, and a horrible idea in combat. You better think of another way of covering yourself. If your popping up like a gopher spraying a few rounds and then ducking. Your opposition will take you out pretty quickly. With 5 rounds you have no cover fire to speak of. You had better be accurate. Of your choices I would go for the garand.
     
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    Is this a California thing? Why 5 rnds? Garands come with 8 rnd clips. SKS's use 10 rnd stripper clips and there are 30 rnd mags for the Mini.
    If this is a a California law then you have my condolences.
    Instead of worrying about putting out suppressing fire from a weapon that cannot do so you should worry more about fighting YOUR fight. Fight with your strengths instead of worrying about spray and pray from a weapon that doesn't have the capacity to do so.
     
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    I want my minute of life back from reading this thread
     
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    The rate of fire, the muzzle energy, the ease of reloading, the rate of malfunction, and the diameter of the projector are entirely irrelevant if you DON'T HIT THE TARGET.
     
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    Spray and pray is a bad idea on prom night, and a horrible idea in combat.

    How true! If suppressive fire doesn't hit the enemy that sticks their head up it ain't surpressing anything.

    The original question should be listed with "What if Sparatcus had a Piper Cub".
     
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