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Which PCC for this year's deer hunt?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Macchina, Oct 9, 2021.

  1. Lnf Crzr

    Lnf Crzr Member

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    Here- look at this

    A 158 gr Bullet at 2000fps (357 carbine)
    A 170 gr Bullet at 2100fps (30/30 carbine)

    A 357 handgun (686-6”)


    Your chart starts the 30/30 off at 2389.
    What 16” easy to carry 30/30 can do that?

    Even a post stated how horrible the muzzle blast was from such a short 30/30.



     

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  2. JDGray

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    Apply the 100 velocity to that calculator. The 30/30 load data was using 150gr bullets
    357 was 140gr.
    That’s why I said you had to test equal weight bullets, and don’t handicap the respective rifles. You can play with the numbers, pretty fun on that calculator!
     
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  3. Lnf Crzr

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    I’ve got some real world photos of what a 16” carbine 357 can do to a few deer at 80-130yards

    A bit more deviation than the 80 yard Doe my brother shot with a 16” 30/30- So……

    Ya,most people knock it until they see it in person
    Type in your numbers , Yet I’ve seen it.

     
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  4. Barr

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    Two interesting formulas to consider when comparing hunting calibers. I tend to favor the Hatcher Index because it takes multiple factors into account.

    HITS = M^2 * V / (700,000 * D^2)
    M - bullet weight in grains
    V - Velocity fps
    D - Bullet diameter in inches

    Hatcher Stopping Index = M * V * A * F / 1000
    Mass - bullet weight in grains
    Velocity - fps
    Area = PI * R^2
    Form - Proprietary Form factor based on bullet construction.
     
  5. Lnf Crzr

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    Never read about someone Not having good luck with a Deer and the 357 Carbine.

    Disclaimer- Use books for load data
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  6. JDGray

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    I don’t think any one disagrees with that.
     
  7. Lnf Crzr

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    K, Most people nowadays always suggest a bigger better faster … I think that’s how the 300 win mag is needed for A 150lbs of deer 100 yards away And not much else will do.
     
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  8. JDGray

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    Maybe an elk at 500 yards! Lol
    I’ve done some bean field, herd thinning with a permit. My 22-250 with 55gr pills @ 300+ yards, worked like a charm:)
     
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  9. d2wing

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    A well placed shot trumps caliber in deer hunting.
     
  10. Lnf Crzr

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    Seek and ye shall find.
    Your #s are askew
     

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  11. JDGray

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    You win, I'm out...
    My numbers were from the ammo I showed you, not your ammo. Keep on believing your 357 is as good as a 30/30, especially at over 100 yards.
     
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  12. Lnf Crzr

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    I’m out-
    And “Within 100 yards” ! it is, as many state. Jeff Quinn of Gunblast is one of them.
     
  13. WisBorn

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    My First choice would be the 44mag of the three. I just like a little more hammer effect for Northern Whitetails.
     
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  14. nick22

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    I've killed a few with .44 none with the .357 both have killed piles of whitetails. My vote would be for the .44 mainly for the quartering shots maybe the .357 would go in at the last rib on one side and through the off side shoulder but I feel very confident my .44 with a 310 grain hard cast bullet would. On nice broadside shots you and the deer will probably never notice the difference. Enjoy your north woods experience. Those are beautiful rifles by the way.
     
  15. Speedo66

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    Maybe too late for this year, but if you can find a Rossi 92 in either caliber you'll probably save yourself a couple of pounds.

    They take a scout scope nicely and are quite accurate.
     
  16. rdmercer

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    Dear season opened last weekend and I have a garden that is still being decimated by these guys so at daylight I had a full grown doe munching on my last cucumbers and so I grabbed my Ruger PCC 9mm with Critical Defense with an Aimpoint. At 25 yards I zeroed in on the bullseye right behind the shoulder in the heart, lung area. One shot and she took 2 steps and took another bite of garden goods. One more shot in the vulnerable body area and she started walking. Two more in the guts, one in the neck area, and finally a shot behind the ear. Conclusion, I will never ever carry a 9mm defense round with me ever again. It will be a .45 or .40 from now on. I couldn't drop a 130 lb. deer with a round that I trusted for 24/7 self-protection.
     
  17. Lnf Crzr

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    Wow
     
  18. Plainsman

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    Id grab either .357 and be happy!
    I have an 1894S in .44 magnum that Ive taken deer with. I also have an NEF Handirifle in .357 that I have yet to drop a deer with, but its next on my list for short range deer hunting. I also tote Ruger double actions in bith cartridges and would have no qualms about using either of those on a deer at appropriate ranges.

    Im wondering where all these armored deer have been coming from since the advent of the internet that require so much energy to penetrate, as I haven’t run into any in ND and we have some huge bodied whitetails here…
     
  19. JDGray

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    I wouldn't go throwing away your 9mm just yet. A 9mm is a poor choice for a humane kill on a whitetail. Even people live when getting shot by most hand gun cartridges, they do not drop like in the movies. A head, or central nervous system hit is the only way to do that on any living creature, and those are low percentage shots. 9mm is just fine for SD.
     
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