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which savage for long range precision?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by proven, Mar 8, 2012.

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  1. proven

    proven Member

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    i'm looking to get into long range precision shooting, and have narrowed my search down to a few savage models. what are your thoughts on the pros/cons of each and which would you choose and why?

    i'm looking at the basic 10 fcp-k, 10fcp-sr, and the 10 fcp mcmillan. this is a value/bang for buck type of purchase, and thoughts regarding the the rifles with price point and specs in mind would be helpful.

    i'll also need help with scope base/rings, and bipod. the scope i have in mind is the vortex viper pst 4-16 x50. any other recommendations are welcome.

    cheers.
     
  2. Pat M

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    What calibers are you considering?
     
  3. Kachok

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    I have had great luck with every model I have tried, but the 12 series is a world class match rifle, and the 111 Long Range Hunter is the premo sporter weight hunting rifle. Even my little el-chepo MkII/110s have been amongst the most accurate rifles I have ever shot, they easly put my Remingtons and Winchesters to shame. Only Sako/Tikka hang with Savage for remarkable accuracy.
     
  4. NOLAEMT

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    my personal preference is for the EGW mount for savage rifles. The examples I have seen and used have been very well finished, and give flexibility as to where exactly you want your scope.
     
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    Warne makes a good 20MOA base.
     
  6. Kachok

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    I cannot even begin to explain how wrong that is, the Savages I have owned have not only outshot many other brands they have outlasted them as well, to date I have never had one break on me and I have owned many of them over many years. Savage steel is better then Remington by a good margin, equile to the steel on the Winchesters, they don't rust even in our year round 90+% humidity, high temps and salt air.
    The only other rifle that I have tried in the past decade that impressed me as much is my Tikka T3 Stainless. Superb accuracy, lots of venison in the freezer and ZERO issues. You simply could not dream up a better gun.
     
  7. Dmitri Popov

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    My opinion, and others who I hold in high regard, Savage don't make a bad gun.
    Pick one with Accu-trigger, and then just pick the caliber and stock you like. Heck I have an Axis without the AT and love it to death!
     
  8. Ar180shooter

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    Of the ones you've suggested, I'd go for the 10 FCP Mcmillan in .308.

    As for scopes, I have a Vortex Viper HD and find it to be of good quality. I haven't tried their Viper PST line, but they do have a good reputation for value.
     
  9. lefteyedom

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    Pick the Savage rifle that feels the BEST IN YOUR HANDS!!

    308 is a great round out to 800 yards and proven at 1000.

    Spend your money on optics.

    Savage saved it self by focusing on the 110 model. For nearly 40 year it "got no respect" But once shooters start looking at the target and not simply repeating old pot belly stove B.S about it's "ugly" barrel nut the rifle finally got the respect it deserved.
     
  10. proven

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    patriot1/3, take your childish BS elsewhere.

    i'm really only considering the .308 right now. i'm not yet set up to reload, and from everything i've read, for getting started in long range it's hard to beat .308 for what it offers in performance and as a learning tool.

    i'm mostly interested in whether the box mag, scope base, and accustock are worth the extra $ over the fcp-k model. how the brake works for those that have shot with it, and whether the mcmillan is worth the extra $ over the sr model. kind-of a "best bang for buck" comparison of the three.
     
  11. Tempest 455

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    Yep junk....................:rolleyes:


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    Team Savage started its 2010 season in grand fashion, winning the F T/R National Championship team competition by besting all others in the 600 and 1,000 yard events, and establishing an new 1,000-yard record of 778-21X. That would seem hard to top. But that is exactly what they did at the last two major matches of their season.

    Darrell Buell of Damascus, OR; John Weil of Welches, OR; Monte Milanuk of Wenatchee WA and Stan Pate of Milwaukie, OR wrapped up the season with two internationally sanctioned matches: the Canadian International Fullbore Championships held in Chilliwack. B.C. and the Pacific International Fullbore Championships held just outside of Portland, OR. At these matches, elite shooters from around the world compete at 800, 900 and 1,000 yards. The two matches combined constitute a “Super Aggregate”, or continental title.

    Team Savage loaded up on the hardware at both matches, winning multiple medals at the various distances. They captured the team gold at the Canadian match and Gold and Silver in the individual Super Aggregate.

    The real fireworks happened in the Oregon match. With John Weil leading the way, Team Savage put on a veritable clinic. This competition was held on Weil and Pate’s home range at the Douglass Ridge Rifle Club and they showed everybody that nobody knows how to read the conditions on that range better than Team Savage. Weil won all seven gold medals available, while teammate Stan Pate won six silvers. Monte Milanuk added three bronzes. Weil also shot a new national record at 1000 yards, scoring 148-4x.

    (http://www.savagearms.com/news/article/?id=1DoKxAoZh)
     
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    If long range percision is wanted then change rifle groups from the leo based rifles to the target class of rifles. You also don't want a SR ready barrel. What caliber and distance are you looking to shoot. The 308 is somewhat out classed today buy the 6.5 cal for longer range and the .223 can more than handle a 308 out to 500 to 600 yards with 80gr + bullets.
     
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    The best part about team Savage is they shoot with factory rifles! Those darn 12 series rifles are tough to beat even when their rivals are shooting 20k+ full custom guns.
     
  14. The Sarge

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    "Savages sucks"....Lord help me when I am on the internet...as they know not what they say.....
    I am no world class super duper marksman....I own many high end rifles and high end scopes.
    I have a Savage .308 ...thing is just really accurate and reliable....totally trust in it.
     
  15. hardluk1

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    Just that can make them suck when they out shot way costlier rifle!!!!. Like weatherby's vanguard/howa or remingtons old 788 series.
     
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    I got a Model 12 LRP in 6.5 Creedmoor. After a very short break in period it is shooting great. 1/4" groups at 100yds. About 2" at 250 yds but I havent gotten to shoot it very much at that range. I handload but so far the factory Hornady 140gr A-Max loads have given the best accuracy. I would definitely recommend this rifle.

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    I will second the lrp 6.5 creedmoor. Factory match ammo is about the same as 308 match. So even though you don't reload, you get all the benefits that come with shooting 6.5's. Trust us on this.
     
  18. proven

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    hardluk1, i'm sticking with the .308. i don't reload (yet) and .308 seems to be a very good choice for someone just getting into stuff between 300 and 1000yds. why not the suppressor ready bbl? i'm thinking more along the lines of tactical shooting matches.
     
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    pdd614, what is your experience with long range matches? i only ask because everything i've read from mulitple solid sources state that for someone just getting started, .308 is the way to go. so if i'm to "just trust you on this", what exactly am i trusting and why is the 6.5 better for a newbie like myself?
     
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    Savage mod 12, 29" barrel and factory accu trigger. Gray laminated wood stock shot .306 3 shot group and 5 shot .390 group with hand loads on the first time out thats awsom! This was at 100 yards with 6mm br.
     
  21. Kachok

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    A 6.5mm has every advantage in the world over a 30 cal for punching paper or for hunting game up to the size of mule deer. The 6.5s will kick less and tend to have higher BC then 30 cals, at leased the ones the 308 can shoot anyway. The remarkable difference in recoil is a huge advantage too, I can shoot my featherweight 6.5x55 all day long even with max load 140s, no way I can do that with my 308 even though it weighs more.
    Lets compare the external ballistics of a 308 175gr SMK and a 140gr VLD 6.5 (Sweed, Creedmore, x47 Lapua They are all vary similar)
    175gr 308 2700fps
    1,000yd drop 413" drift 10 mph crosswind 90" 635ft/lbs

    140gr 6.5x55 2800fps
    1,000yd drop 342" drift 10mph crosswind 66" 724ft/lbs

    As you can see the 6.5 holds every imagainable advantage over the 308 by a healthy margin. That is why they are so popular among long ranged shooters.
     
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    I have the 308 hs precision stock & hand load. I also have a 600yd range. The accuracy is awesome. I have nothing to compare it too though. First quality bolt rifle. Egw mount is nice. I went with Nightforce mount rings & scope. I have target pics if interested.

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    kachok, do the external ballistics outweigh ammo availablity/cost and bbl life? again every thing i've read (including the sticky at the top of the rifle library) states that .308 is the top choice for beginners. what leads you to recommend the 6.5 to a beginner, aside from better external ballistics? plus .308 allows entry into certain events that require a military caliber.
     
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    First of all the 6.5x55 is a military caliber as well. Secondly I can buy ammo for my sweed for less then I can for my 308 if you don't count that corosive junk ($13.50 a box for new Prvi) Barrel life on the non-magnum 6.5s are in the many of thousands of rounds, the same catagory as the 308, I have never wore out a barrel in either. I don't know exactly why but the 6.5x55 is also easier to develop handloads for, I honestly don't know why but it just comes together easier at the range, many other handloaders have said the same. As much as I like the Sweed I will say that the 6.5x47, Creedmore and 260 Rem are also great choices that can do eveything the Sweed will in a short action package.
    The 308 is no doubt a top choice for beginer hunters and long range shooters, solid performance and super easy availbility, but for those who handload or plan to the 6.5x55 holds every imagineable advantage for paper and deer sized game, though I will admit that the 308 makes a slightly better elk cartrage, there really is something to be said for larger caliber and heavier bullets on CXP3 class game.
     
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    are we comparing apples and tangerines here? savage doesn't make a rifle in 6.5x55 that i know of. so the price of the sweed ammo, and the fact that it's still a military caliber aren't really pertinent.

    do you have any experience or suggestions pertaining to the rifles i mentioned in the caliber i mentioned? i'm pretty well sold on .308.
     
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