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Which SHTF Pistol: Glock or 1911?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Beethoven, Nov 18, 2005.

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  1. Beethoven

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    First: NO, I'm not trying to troll.

    I own many Glocks and 1911's and love each style of pistol dearly.

    I'm honestly trying to decide which would be the better SHTF sidearm and why.

    Which would you grab as a SHTF sidearm (in addition to a rifle, of course) and why?


    Thanks!
     
  2. nero45acp

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    My SHTF pistol is a FN BDAO (DAO Hi-Power), but if I had to choose between a 1911 and a Glock, it would definitely be the Glock. I've owned seven 1911s (four chambered in .45acp and three in 9mm), and they all had varying degrees of reliability problems.



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  3. farscott

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    My choice would be a pair of my Precision Gunworks 1911 pistols built on Colt frames and slides. Why? Because they work, because they are what I carry, and because they are what I am used to using.
     
  4. Rob1035

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    I go with glocks, simply for the lighter weight, and assumed reduced need for maintenence/cleaning/spares.
     
  5. garrettwc

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    In a SHTF situation I would take into consideration the following:

    Is it reliable?
    Both are.

    Is ammo commonly available?
    Both are.

    Are parts available and can I install them myself?
    Both are.

    These assumptions are based on a mostly stock Glock 9mm, or a plain jane 1911. Of the two I would pick the 1911. But only because I am most familiar with it. Either will work in a pinch though.
     
  6. Old Dog

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    Never one to bash a thread idea, but, uh, haven't we had this thread before (at least a couple times in the last six months or so) in one form or another? But that doesn't mean I won't play ... I'd go with the 1911 for a long-term scenario; my reasoning is primarily that it's a highly effective combat platform and what I use best.

    But also -- polymer will melt and warp. How would you deal with that? Even if you lose the grips for your 1911, duct tape or medical tape will suffice or you could carve your own stocks. The all-steel construction will last a few lifetimes ... Not to mention that for someone experienced in the 1911 platform, it might be easier in the long run to machine and standardize small replacement parts and the parts would be much easier to procure, since the 1911 is such a common do-it-yourself gunsmithing platform and parts are so easily obtainable (and -- most of us and most gunshops stock a lot of the parts) right now... I'm a bit sceptical of the Glock's innards as far as what I could produce in my shop to replace anything, especially if there was any damage to the polymer frame or grip, and it seems to me that there might be fewer options for obtaining replacing parts, since Glocks are mainly production pistols with much fewer aftermarket products ...
     
  7. middy

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    Not if it's on your hip... unless you're on fire or something. :confused:

    I mean really, melt and warp? How is that going to happen?

    I'd be happy with either, but would probably go with the Glock as drop-in replacement parts are more likely to work properly without a lot of filing and cussing.
     
  8. Dr.Rob

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    More bullets is a good thing when you really really need them. As much as I like my 1911s I'd bet my BHP clone would be my shtf sidearm.

    Which one do you have more confidence in? Which do you shoot better? That's about all that matters.
     
  9. AZ Jeff

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    Don't get me wrong with the comment to follow, as I own several Colt Gov't Models, but by your comments about Glocks, I can tell you are not familar with their innards in the slightest.

    If I had to resort to MAKING parts for one of my pistols, I would MUCH rather be making Glock parts than M1911 parts. I say this purely because the Glock design is MUCH more tolerant of parts with mass produced tolerances, and does NOT require the hand-fitting that MANY M1911 parts need to function correctly.
     
  10. TimboKhan

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    Old Dog,

    you said
    I hate to be a jerk, but unless your doing battle while standing in magma, that old song and dance is nothing but an old wives tail. I don't know if you were being sarcastic or not, and if you were, then shame on me for not having a sense of humor. If not, the fact is that Steel will not last a lifetime if not cared for properly. It is likely that moisture will be more of an issue than lava, and all things being equal, a steel gun will fall victim to corrosion a whole lot faster than a polymer. I am not referring to brands or styles here, simnply materials, and at this point in the evolution of handguns, can't we just agree that polymers have had enough time in the real world to prove that they aren't VCR tapes? In a pinch, either platform would likely serve me well, although as it happens, neither platform would be my first choice.
     
  11. Beethoven

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    I agree with this.
     
  12. Gimme.50

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    Talk about your tough questions! :uhoh: I own one Glock 19 and about a half dozen .45s. I believe Dr. Rob was on the money when he said "Which one do you have more confidence in? Which do you shoot better? That's about all that matters." While I enjoy being able to slap a 33 round magazine in the 19, I'm more accurate with the biggest POS .45 I own (which is a Llama) than I am with the Glock. If SHTF knocks, or splatters, on the front door, I'm grabbing a .45 (hopefully the Kimber) on the way out the back. Not to menion, as with any firearm that has been in current or previous issue in the military, there's gotta be a ton of parts, mags, and ammo out there for the "scavenging". Finally, as I read somewhere else in the forum, I believe as someone's sig..."there's no need to double-tap when you're shooting a .45".
     
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    Well, ya know, TimboKhan, throw your Glock on the grill and I'll throw my 1911 up there next to it ... and we'll see which gun is easier to salvage and restore to operability. Were there ever an apocolyptic event and I needed one handgun to last the rest of my life as no more guns would ever be produced in my lifetime ... I'm thinking I'd want one that might survive exposure to high heat or fire. Sure, Glocks are low maintenance and quite durable ... But, it's easy to dry parts off and clean off rust and corrosion, but reshaping melted plastic? Anyway, the question was merely about personal preference, and I've explained mine ... By the way, I've seen Glocks recovered from both house and car fires, and guess what? Not a lot left ...
     
  14. asiparks

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    Well, if the SHTF involves BBQing my weapon for the hell of it then I'm with you Old dog, but in the more likely scenarios we've seen of late involving natural disasters and the like, I'd go for all round durability and reliability in moisture and dirt and for that I think I'd leave my 1911's in their waterproof and fire proof safe and pick up my G 21.
     
  15. Rob1035

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    I love it when people 'tailor' their SHTF scenarios to their preferred weapons.:cool:

    AR15 guy: "well, what if you have to engage multiple rabid woodchucks at 150m?"
    AK guy: "what if brain eating zombies are standing still 75 feet from me?"
    Milsurp guy: "well i'll get one shot off then get busy with the bayonet"

    :p
     
  16. MTMilitiaman

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    Ummm :uhoh: Do we have to get on the grill with it? If not, what's the point? To see which one tastes better with BBQ sauce? So in the hypothetical situation "so there I was in the apocolypse grilling up some steaks when I accidentially threw my pistol on the grill all slathered up in Bullseye and forgot about it..." Okay, you might have a point then. Until then, if it is hot enough for either pistol to melt or warp, you got bigger problems than what the heat is doing to your handgun. In the meantime, the Glock is lighter, has a higher magazine capacity, can also be had in .45 or 10mm as well as just about every other defensive autopistol caliber of any noteable popularity and is about as simple, reliable, and durable as they come. For a SHTF scenerio, I might wish for something a little more popular than the 10mm Auto, but I'd still want my pistol to be a Glock, even if it isn't my Glock 20.
     
  17. Beethoven

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    Speaking of temperature extremes, how well does/would polymer hold up in extreme cold?
     
  18. Black Majik

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    Well...

    Glocks vs. 1911s.

    This is actually a debate I'm in the mood for. Which would I CCW? a 1911. Which would I rather have at the range with me? a 1911. Which would I always go for if an intruder entered my house? a 1911. Which is the only one still in my stable? The 1911s. Which can I shoot MUCH better with? The 1911. Which would I want in a SHTF situation? The GLOCK.

    Why oh why, would a 1911 advocate, who hates shooting Glocks, how they point, how they look, how they shoot want a Glock over a 1911 ya say?

    Reliability and durability.

    Glocks for the most part dont require all that much maintenance. They can be ran dry, and preferred to run dry. 6 drops only if you do oil :D Theres one thread that just absolutely convinced me, that if I need a gun, one I can abuse, carry in the rain, and not have to worry about it.... its of course the Glock.

    Check out the thread over at AR15.com. What Bigbore does to his G21 is absolutely astounding to what most of us would do to our guns. Freeze it, leave it in salt water, run it over with a truck (but but... wont that polymer frame CRACK?!), THROW IT OUT OF AN AIRPLANE!, and all he does is shake off all the dirt and mud, check the bore and fire the gun! He hasn't oiled the damn thing since page 12 :D

    Honestly, if it came down to it, 1911s require maintenance. They serve great as a house gun, shoot beautifully at the range. But, the 1911 is the Prom queen you want while the Glock is the reliable date you'll settle for.

    I would hate to carry a 1911 in SHTF situations in the rain, when I'd almost be sure my 1911 would start to rust. Hey face it, that tennifer finish is as tough as it gets for gun finishes. The polymer, while uncomfortable as opposed to real ivory or checked aluminum, it'll not MELT, scratch, rust, nick, or rust like the 1911s would.

    The guns are both easy to detail strip. It just takes practice. The 1911 was designed to detail strip without any tools, only using the parts of the 1911. But, the Glock is much easier to detail strip, field strip, and clean.

    I've tried the Glock route, I sold it, but... damn they do make one damn reliable and durable gun.

    In SHTF situations, give me the Glock. :what:
     
  19. carolinaman

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    Hi there,

    Given a choice based on pure function and reliability, it would be my Glock M-23.

    I shoot it well enough and keep a large supply of .40 S&W ammunition on hand.

    Chris
     
  20. Rob1035

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    I remember reading official glock information that said the polymer frames were good from -30 to 140 degrees (F i assume). What that really means, I have no idea...
     
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    I carried mine through a winter of record lows. In the winter of 2003-2004 we had record lows; I remember two weeks where the high was in the teens to twenties below zero, farenheit. I left it in the car overnight several times. Never affected function or appearance. On days when it was warm enough (AKA when I got desperate enough) to brave the weather and hit the range, I was glad I had a polymer pistol since it didn't stick to my hand after popping off a mag.

    As for throwing it on the barby, or otherwise lighting a pistol on fire, I've never tried it and never would with Glock, 1911, or otherwise.

    All that said I sold the Glock the get a 1911. Hated the trigger.

    And with that, my answer to the thread; I take the Glock for reliability, durability, and capacity.
     
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    Glock 34 (if I can't take my 226 that is)

    With plenty of 124+P Gold Dot's or 127+P+ Rangers

    I have plenty of 17rd mags a a few 33rd mags. I have several thousand rounds through it w/o a problem.
     
  24. jame

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    I've owned a couple of Glocks and hate 'em. I'm a 1911 guy anymore. That said......

    SHTF, I'd take the Glock.

    Now if we're flame broiling with a little butter, garlic, and parmesan, Sigs are obviously superior......(I like mine with a side of steamed asparagus and hollandaise....)
     
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    I'd take My Glock 17 in a heartbeat. Reason being, it just works better for me. Never had a problem or anything with it, I am extremely accurate with it, and I know how to repair it if something would happen. I just never warmed up to the 1911 platform in general over the years.
     
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