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Which states will secede when the gun confiscation begins?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by secamp32, Jan 23, 2006.

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  1. secamp32

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    Will any states (Texas??) secede when President Hillary, in her second term federalizes the National Guard and sends them door to door to confiscate all your guns? (Maybe she let you keep a single shot .22 for a little while) She'll know who you are because in the first term there will be manditory gun and gunowner registration. So when this happens where can we go?
     
  2. STAGE 2

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    Won't happen... even if confiscation starts.
     
  3. El Tejon

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    Double up on the tin foil and don't forget to take your meds.
     
  5. Nitrogen

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    I can't see Hillary taking my guns away.
    Mostly, because I can't see her being elected. :rolleyes:
     
  6. Correia

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    I don't think the vast majority of the National Guard is suicidal.

    Look at the outrage generated by the confiscations in New Orleans, which were small in number, in a tiny geographic area, in a disaster area, where most of the gun owners had already evacuated, with very spotty reporting, and overwhelming police presence, and even in those ideal gun grabbing conditions, gun owners across America were very very very very very very angry. This was of course educational to the politicians who were surely watching this unfold.

    Now take your scenario, which is the New Orleans scenario, but magnified 1,000,000 times. What do you think the reactions would be?

    Nope, even the most rabid gun grabber knows that they aren't going to be able to have outright confiscation in the next decade. They are going to stick with the Boil The Frog Slowly method of stripping our rights. If you want to prevent that, get involved in your local political process, and introduce more new people to shooting. The outright confiscation, massive civil war, Red Dawn stuff is for the fat guys wearing camoflage in their Lazy Boys cleaning their SKS and invisioning themselves as rebel freedom fighters. Sorry guys. :)
     
  7. GEM

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    Do you live in TX? You could never get a vote to do this based on the demographics. The cowboy era is long past.

    A significant portion of the state would be antithetical to the folks who might suggest such a thing. Also, a great number of gun owners aren't committed to any action based on the fact they own guns like toasters.

    I propose seceding over warrantless wiretaps - that is more to happen.

    But guess what? The initial proposition is a fantasy proposed periodically on gun lists. It goes along with the folks who dream about sitting in their house with some buddies fighting off the ATF

    The fight is in the ballot box for gun rights and in the minds of the voters. If anything proposing armed rebellion will probably make it likely to get guns confiscated.

    Also, at that time all the security methods that right wing folks are pimping for Bush will be used against the gun owner. Oops!
     
  8. Sinsaba

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    I understand that this is not a likely thing to happen. But, what would you all have said 20 (or even 10) years ago if someone said "what are you going to do when the government starts taking your property and giving it to someone to build condos on"

    A lot of people would have said then... "get out the tinfoil"
     
  9. Father Knows Best

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    Um, no. The government has been doing exactly that for a long, long time. I was involved in the City of Detroit's taking of a lot of land back in the late 1970s and early 1980s for the Chrysler Jefferson North Assembly Plant project. The City used eminent domain to take many hundreds of acres, spent millions of taxpayer dollars to clean it up and prep it, and then handed it over the Chrysler for a new plant. It wasn't even considered controversial at the time, because that sort of thing had been going on for as long as anyone could remember.

    The Kelo decision doesn't change anything. It just makes clear that SCOTUS isn't going to stand in the way of it. That wasn't a surprise to any of us who have been following this area for the last few decades. It's not right, but it certainly ain't new....
     
  10. thereisnospoon

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    It's not Hillary...

    ...its the U.N.

    Haven't you been getting your calls from Wayne LaPierre telling you the UN wants your guns so please give him your children's college fund?

    This kind of question and the resulting responses always makes me wonder what the Founding Fathers would think of those they left behind to defend and protect Liberty...
     
  11. KriegHund

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    None.
     
  12. carlrodd

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    hey, watch it buddy:cuss: i can run 6 and 1/2 minute miles till the cows come home. and what's wrong with being a rebel freedom fighter. don't tell me you don't all wound up when you watch Red Dawn.
     
  13. CAS700850

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    Taking your property and selling it to the condo guy is logistically easy. Can't really pack up and hide the property, and the guys with the orders will know where to find it when the ink dries. Coming for all the guns is something quite different. Run the hypothetical all the way through...

    1. Registration. Yeah, everyone with a gun in America is going to honestly register every single firearm in the house on the list. Sure. Right. :rolleyes: So, they'll know when they come to my house that I only owned one pistol from when I was an LEO. Here it is officer, thank you and have a nice day.

    2. Molon Labe. When they come looking for the guns, many will fight to keep them. National Guard is made up of people who work and live in our communities. Think Fred from teh car dealership is really so concerned about taking all the guns away that he's willing to charge Sam's house, when Sam is pointing a rifle out the window? It's one thing to fight, kill, and die when the opponent is a foreign national and the goal is defending your country. It's quite something else to shoot at Jim who lives down the street, coaches your kid's soccer team, and plays softball with you in the church league.

    3. Hide and Seek. The press reports the glorious day when the government has issued the order, there's a 30 day amnesty period to turn in your guns, then they're coming on the 31st. Okay, get your shovels. Plant them in the garden, wrapped in oil soaked rags or in Tupperware. When they come, you say "Hell, I sold that old thing off years ago at a gun show before you oh so wise people closed the loophole. Took cash from a guy named Marcus Johnson from next town over." They leave, you dig it back up. Think they'll check the yard with metal detectors? That slows them down, gives me even more time to hide, and I can find places where the metal detector won't give me away.

    4. Smuggler's Blues. Consider that smugglers can and do haul in tons of drugs every year, and despite the money and efforts of LEO's, the DEA, etc., it still gets in. Make that guns and ammo, and you can see the black market building even larger. Think it can't happen? Look at the gun markets in Africa and other such places. And, that's ignoring things like the Phillipines where homemade guns of decent quality are available. What could some industrious Americans with a quality machine shop be capable of doing?

    5. How many soldiers does it take... Think of this, how many members of the military are there in the U.S.? A few million, maybe even 10 million? Add LEO's and all reserve and Guard units. Up to about 25 million maybe. Think of how long it would take to sweep from one coast to the other, Canada to Mexico, to search for every gun in the country. Every building. Every vehicle. Every square foot of dry land, and maybe even the wet land if someone gets creative in how they hide the guns. It would take years, probably decades, to complete the search, and that doesn't take into account any resistance along the way, any hiding, or anyone being able to do an end-around and get the guns from in front of the search line to behind the search line.

    6. Public Outcry. Unless someone takes office and declares the end of the Constitution, meaning the end of elections, Due Process, and everything else that makes this a good place to live, the Leaders will care about public opinion. If they didn't, polls wouldn't be as popular as they are. So, when Big Borther suspends the Fourth Amendment to allow for the door-to-door search for weapons, even the antis will not like it. Why? Think about it...what might you have stashed away in your home that you don't want to be made public. Dope? Porn? Stolen property? A secret shrine devoted to your everlasting love for Brittney Spears? ONce the guys in uniform come in, it all gets found. And, don't think that the press won't love publishing that Mayor Jimmy had a ginat bong, or Senator Feinstein's biggest contributor had a large collection of films featuring beastiality.

    Nah, I'm not worried about this one. Relax and enjoy your hobby. ;)
     
  14. Correia

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    Hey, I'm fat too, and not only wear camoflage but sell it out of a gunstore, so there! :) (plus John Milius movies absolutely rock, so of course I like Red Dawn).

    Believe me, I'm totally aware of the dangers to freedom and the American way and all that, and yes, I know every time I post on one of these threads I make the founding fathers weep, :rolleyes: BUT doing effective things like teaching people to shoot, getting to know your local politicians and getting involved in the political process, are far more valuable than internet fantasy masturbation sessions where we can all talk about our plans for taking on the blue helmets.

    Besides, the sneaky political method of slowly stripping our rights, and changing the culture to be one of sheephood is far more insidious, and sadly, more likely, than any rattle battle confiscation scenario that you can come up with.

    You want to battle gun confiscators? Take 10 new people shooting this year. We're in a culture war, not a shooting war.
     
  15. Manedwolf

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    I am more likely to believe that one day, the neocons, who are NOT conservatives, will say "Well, y'know, TERRAHISTS could get guns and use them on the HOMELAND...we should control who can have them, and then control more, and control more..."
     
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    Ditto.

    It certainly isn't as glamorous (would make a boring movie) but that is what needs to be done- as well as being politically active.

    I wish people nowadays cared about Freedom as much as the people a few hundred years ago, and would try to secede over such ideals, but I am afraid that the average American of today is simply not as well educated as the average American of the 19th Century.

    Our best bet is too educate people ourselves. Take an anti shooting and show them that guns are simply tools, not magical evil devices that turn nice suburban liberals into child-killing lunatics.
     
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    One of the most telling bits of evidence I've read was simply an account of early 20th century fancy-dress costume parties on ocean liners. It wasn't at all uncommon for crew to lend a passenger a revolver, sans ammunition or without the cylinder, for use in a cops-and-robbers skit or the like. And nobody panicked. Nobody screamed "A GUN!"...as they likely would now. Nobody tried to sue the ship owners for emotional distress because their children were exposed to a gun. It was an object. Nobody was using it threateningly.

    So what happened?
     
  18. Borachon

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    Do you think she'll be nominated by her party?

    Assuming she did get elected, do you believe she'd go for stricter gun laws?

    And finally, if so, do you think states would object to it?


    I'd have to answer question number one with a "yes". I think she will be nominated by her party. That will at least put her in the position to become President if elected.

    And if so, do you think she'd call for stricter gun control?
     
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    If the govt uses the same tactics...

    they use to round up the illegal guns, dope, guys that busted parole, illegal immigrants, etc, when they come for our legal guns, we don't have a problem.........Uh, what gun? oh, I sold it years ago.........chris3
     
  20. Biker

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    I'm not at all sure that folks as a group would resist. After all, although I'm sure that there were more than a few 'Out of my cold, dead fingers' bumper stickers in NOLA, I don't recall anyone shooting the gun confiscators or getting shot by the confiscators.
    You know what they say...'When all is said and done, there's a lot more said than done'.
    Hope I'm wrong...
    Biker
     
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    Amen
     
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    I still have faith that Virginians, Carolinians, Texans, Georgians, Alabamians, Floridians, and others too, each would fight to be a people and to control their State.

    The thing is, if we have a situation where the US/NG/UN is going into every State and confiscating all guns, then I think it would become too obvious that a minority of States have taken over, and it might make the States come alive. Didn't the Constitution say that if 9/13 States ratified it, then the Constitution would be in effect for them? In that same spirit, maybe 35/50 States would form a new Union rather than be disarmed/ruled by 15/50 States.
     
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    Follow the $$$$, Show me the $$$$, It's ALL about the Benjamin's

    That would be a god idea IF politics didn't revolve around $$$$$. Nothing you or I say on a local level effects anything when it comes time for a true politician to vote for his favorite lobbyists bill...Don't get me wrong, every once in a while "the People" can make enough noise to cause the pigs feeding at the public trough to pause and take note, but it is VERY RARE. I reserve the right to be this cynical about the political process based on recent allegations against Texas Senator DeLay and that Abramhoff dude...

    I believe in the ballot box, right up to the point where it meets a politicians wallet.

    When I mentioned the FFs I was referring to the way that we as a Nation of voters have been lulled to sleep to the point we have a very STRONG, CENTRALIZED, FEDERAL GOV'T, the one thing it seems ALL the FFs were against...

    And, finally, mental masturbation isn't all that bad, once you get the hang of it...:D
     
  24. mordechaianiliewicz

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    oh, pleez

    look folks, ain't happenin

    in order for this to go down, 1st the gov would have to want to do so. I think the dems will forget gun control for a couple years on a national level, after all, it has been a losing strategy. I'm not sayin' it won't come back, but for the minute, no. At the same time, the Republicans? Hah!

    If and i do mean if it ever went down, the states are way too concerned with funding highways, paying for gov jobs, & making themselves look good with tax payer dollars to give it up. Frog boiling is what these idiots have planned.

    no, in that contingency, widespread domestic terrorism would lead to gov crackdowns on the other amendments. 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th amendments would go away to support round ups.... but that would cause a groundroots revolution.

    However, to do all this you would have to destroy the economy, find the idiots willing to do confiscation, & politicians willing to be targets, and i don't think anyone is that brave (more like foolhardy). Not to say this kind of thing can't or won't happen. \
    It's just that it'll go down in s.africa, or brazil. places where the gun owners for one reason or another don't have the power they do here
     
  25. CentralTexas

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    I understand saying NeoCons aren't conservatives based on what Conservatives were long ago but how are they not the same now?
    If the majority of elected Conservative Republicans are NeoCons then true Conservatives are the majority correct? I now return you to the actual thread...
    CT
     
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