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Which would win a fight?

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by MCgunner, Nov 27, 2012.

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Which one wins a cage fight?

Poll closed Dec 27, 2012.
  1. Bear wins

    83 vote(s)
    86.5%
  2. Hog wins

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    13.5%
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  1. Cosmoline

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    The black bear is almost certain to run away from that fight. They're not stupid, and for them it's always a question of costs vs. benefits. For the hog it's just pure mean and anger. What does the bear have to gain by risking injury? It will wait for something easier.

    Absolutely. Black bear are thinkers, and that would be the bear's downfall in this fight. They can calculate exactly how to get to a bag of suet hung fifty feet up out on a thin flag pole, and they also know to run from something as big as they are that's angry.

    That reminds me of a story about a woman down in SE Alaska who had a problem with neighbor cats coming through her cat door and eating her cat's food. She heard something out in the mud room and sure enough there was a big tom chowing down on food, her own cat cowering in the corner. She was having none of that and grabbed the cat by the scruff. About the time she got it up next to her, she realized from its weight and the enormous paws that it was not a house cat, but a full grown lynx. Thankfully the lynx was so stunned at the affront to its proud feline dignity that it froze long enough for her to toss it towards the cat door where it ran out into the night.
     
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  2. Godsgunman

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    Lesson of Cosmoline's story = Don't have cats as pets, good for target practice though.
    Sorry, couldn't resist. :p
     
  3. Muskyman

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    In the wild a black bear would probably run away from an angry hog. I've seen plenty of them run away from our goldem retriever, and they are rarely predatory. HOWEVER, I've also seen many black bears trapped in live traps, and they are usually every bit as vicious as any hog once they're trapped in a cage. I can't even get close to the trap without them absolutely freaking out. Most animals are very defensive when cornered. Once in a while a big old bear will wander into the trap and be docile, but that's because that bear has probably been trapped many times before and knows it's just getting a free lunch and a ride.

    Anyway, a black bear with nowhere to run would absolutely destroy a hog IMHO.
     
  4. MCgunner

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    When you release a live bear from a trap, do you have to be in a truck cab to keep him from ripping you apart? :D
     
  5. Muskyman

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    Depends on the bear, but sometimes yes. Sometimes they are even more agitated after going on a bumpy ride to an unfamiar place. Would I put my dog in the cage with a bear because they usually run away from the dog when they're not in a cage? Absolutely not.
     
  6. Art Eatman

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    I'm a bit dubious that a bear could get a quick kill on a large hog. But any lucky swing of a hog's tusks could open a bear's femoral artery or stomach. Might well give the "win" to the hog.
     
  7. Kachok

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    Having hunted hogs quite a bit I can tell you that they are outright mean and their tusks are a formidable weapon that slices thick leather gloves like a hot knife through butter (don't ask) Yeah if the bear were protecting it's cubs or were as mean as the boar it has a good chance, otherwise the pig has this one. How many bears are so mean that they keep trying to flip your truck to get to you after taking 5 rounds from a 30-06 at point blank range? That happened to a friend of mine in TX he swears he shot it in the head but I kind of doubt that part. His Ford Ranger bears the scars of that encounter.
     
  8. Wild Bill of Red River

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    Art Eatman's wrong on the Wolverilla

    Coming late to the dance here, but a wolverilla is a cross between a wolverine and an armadillo, as I first discovered in the song "Wolverilla Rag" by Steve Fromholtz, an Austin musician back in 1973 or 74.
    Being as mean as a wolverine and yet armor plated from his armadillo forebearers (not furbearers), he would whip both a bear AND a wild hog at the same time.
    Shoot, those critters would make their burrows out of solid rock and spit out the gravel in piles in front of the openings. You can still see them in canyons above Red River, Silverton, Cripple Creek, Leadville and the other areas where gold was found. (The wolverillas would floss their vicious fangs with the thread they'd spin out of gold.)
    For a website dedicated to guns, hunters and whatnot, I'm surprised none of you people have been up in the Rockies and not stumbled across some of their dens.
    The reason Fromholtz wrote "Wolverilla Rag" was to pacify those beasts and make them go to sleep so at least he could get away after "seeing the elephant."
    Next time you're in the upstairs country, take a look around for some of their dens yourself, but watch out behind you. They're sneaky.
     
  9. Art Eatman

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    Farmhorse* and I argued about that back in 1967 when he was still in the Navy, living in San Francisco. But my definition preceded his. :D

    * Steven Stills gave him that nickname.
     
  10. 41 Mag

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    I didn't get into the poll, but having plenty of experience with PO'ed hogs with tusk I would put my money on the hog.

    Having seen what they can and have done to even vested dogs, not to mention the pine trees on my property with 1/2" deep gouges in them, plus myself being on the receiving end of some pretty exciting action, the bear simply wouldn't have a chance.

    The first thing the hog would do would be to back up into a corner. Then he would wait until the bear came in and oncork on him like pro bowl nose guard on an unprotected quarterback. As he hit the bear he would rake those cutters along anything he could on his first pass and then regroup and come again.

    Least that has been my experience with them, and if the bear managed to get in a good swipe and really hack the hog off, well that would pretty much do him in.

    The last BIG one I had to deal with was the one below. The first shot hit him broadside at about 40yds and the 140gr BT simply PO'ed him, and he came straight to me slapping his tusk together to share the pain. The second shot was with a 25-06 literally at the muzzle as he charged and I barely got out of his way. He passed by, turned and was coming back for more when the effects of both rounds finally dawned on him. Still he was chomping those tusk together to the end.

    Yep the bear might be more agile, and also have reach with claws, but the hog would take him out in short order. As mentioned above those cutters would open him up like a sardine can. Even with holes in them hogs are like 4 legged tanks, they just keep on going till the tracks come off.

    (for comparrison sake, thats a 14" barrel on the Contender and as you can see that boars head has a bit on it, and the hog it's self has plenty on me.)
     

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  11. a98kdoc

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    Easy Answer

    The Troll would win
     
  12. beatledog7

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    We're going to shoot the winner?
     
  13. jmr40

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    A full grown black bear will kill and eat piglets if they can catch them. A full grown hog of roughly the same size as a black bear will have the bear running up a tree ASAP. Black bear are not at all agressive unless starving because of poor health or old age. They will rarely even defend their young, unlike the much more aggressive grizzlies.
     
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    My money is on the bear.
     
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    I'll go with the supposed underdog, the hog.
     
  16. H&Hhunter

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    Neither could beat a full grown bull Monarch butterfly, or a Central Arkansas River Valley Yellow Bellied Dragonfly for that matter. Just ask Art how our last encounter with a dragonfly bull turned out....



    With all that in mind here is small brown bear taking out a a HUGE Russian boar. Never mind the drunk Russian narrating in the background........

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBDAOY3Qwnw
     
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  17. rswartsell

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    Let a hog of any but the "hogzilla" internet variety get between a momma sow black bear and her cubs and the cost/benefit analysis goes out the window. You then see the advantage of size and 2 (or 4) vs 4 leg operation, claw and tooth vs tooth only.

    Bears actually show some advantage of intellect in such as this even though pigs are supposed to be smart. If run of the mill boar pushes momma bears buttons he is headed for the great bacon processing plant in the sky. Momma might get hurt (probably at least a bit) but porky is done if he pushes ursis to unlimited combat.
     
  18. gigemlaw

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    Rosie O'Donnell hands down.

    Doubt the fight would happen unless moms stumbled upon cubs and piglets playing. My money would be on bear, who would probably die 12-48hrs later from wounds.
     
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    Honey Badger just don't care.
     
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    Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU! for that thread!! The GF and I had a great laugh reading it. Wish the OP was still around making great threads like that one :)
     
  22. MCgunner

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    He's still around, but not necessarily making threads like that. Just check out the post count. :banghead:

    It was whimsical thought to post this, but some folks kinda took it seriously. Oh, well.......I'd still bet on the hog against a black bear. :evil:
     
  23. H&Hhunter

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    What if the bear knows Muy Tai?
     
  24. MCgunner

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    Well, if he can jump over the pig and grab him by the hind legs, he can wheel barrow him out to the highway and push him in front of an F150....:D
     
  25. tomrkba

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    My dogs would kill both of them and then look all sad and forlorn because they didn't have anything to chase. You'd think it was the end of the world.
     
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